Plans are to Picket The Clay Co Board of Commissioners Meeting Tomorrow Due Cruel Treatment of Clay Co Animal Control Animals

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This is quite some claim.

How many animals have been experimented on ?

Excalty what experiment do you claim was performed on the animals??

Did they inject them with test drugs???

Did they disect them ??

Did they genetically alter them in some way?

Did they do something invasive that harmed or adversely effected these so called experimental animals ?

Please share the details, and facts.

My guess is you have none.

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what is the evidence of said acts? and is said evidence truth or fiction? who did the investigation? was it a fly? or was it an ant? i don't know but it sounds really like a poor pathetic person's attempt at getting revenge on someone? i bet this sad and pathetic  person is going to hide behind a mask or curtain so when they are proving wrong the identity they created will be blamed but we know they will just go runing back to the drawing board and think of a nother way to discredit the people at animal control and they shall be the bigger and better men and women and just wait for the plan to fail like it always does. hell the wile e. coyote had better idea then this.

2 PM did you say?  Sure i'll be there to voice my opinion in "apposition" to the exper.'s.  Aside from work and a slight social life,  i'll try and squeeze this important meeting in, to voice my opinion for creatures that can't talk.  On second thought, i think i'll send my representative, my dog, he can take notes for me, and bring me back all of the crucial information.

Is it just me, or did this blogger really just ask citizens to come to a meeting in the middle of the day, middle of the work day to voice our opinions for dogs and cats, i'd be willing to bet that citizens take off from work to attend. 

Uh Oh, back to reality, not gonna happen.  See, here's my problem with all of these recent CCAC blogs, they're all full of dog and cat ......... that nobody is even taking the issue seriously anymore.  Have a fun meeting, the real world will be waiting outside.

The last time I checked the Commissioners were the proud recipient of 800 or more emails protesting Clay County's experiment being conducted on an animal.

What I find funny is the person who was accused of animal cruelty in the Diamond case is taking part in the experiment.

To everyone else keep those emails coming. I think the Commissioners can hear you now. I know the Governor has been contacted.

Who would'nt protest animal experimentation ?

I bet the people at CCAC also would protest that.

800 emails sent in were based on spun falsehoods to make people think wrong doing occured which did not.

What I find funny is how that officer was proven not to have done anything wrong by the SO and it is just urking the heck out of the looney tune club.

The boy who cried wolf was heard at first and guess what happened when he really needed help.

This is just another boy crying wolf.

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I will be sure to tune in for the drama.

Angela, i'd agree that it's not just some big conspiracy, however, the media does have a history with blowing things out of proportion.

800 E-Mails huh, love to see their party affiliation.

Of what amount of incompetance exist in Clay County's government on many levels. They find it acceptable to give county property away for free. They find it acceptable to have a less than stellar payment plan of checks and money collected. They find it acceptable for employees to blog on MCS on County Time.

Of course prior to the FBI showing up Commissioner McGovern thought Mr Ivey was the best public works director Clay County has ever had and thought he was doing a fine job too.

At least this time Commissioner Bush who was deemed by a grand jury to be incompetent hinself can't say he hasn't received one complaint. No you've received hundreds.

My question is when are the Commissioners going to step up and take a leadership role in this county?

Angela

Being such a champion for this cause and the tone of your outrage and I to assume you will be there with Don, and be heard???

Or are you just all fluffer nutter

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Two Dogs Die In Animal Control CustodyPOSTED: 6:42 am EDT July 18, 2006UPDATED: 6:56 am EDT July 18, 2006DEKALB COUNTY -- Two dogs have died – allegedly of heat exhaustion -- while in DeKalb County Animal Control custody after being left in a hot animal control truck for at least an hour. More troubles for the DeKalb County Animal Shelter. In recent days it’s been under fire for what some call mismanagement and cruelty to animals. Now the state is looking into the operation because of the death of two dogs after they’d been picked up by an animal control officer. Albert Ford says somebody dropped the ball and he wants to know why. It appears that his dog and a stray were left in a hot animal control truck for at least an hour, and died as a result. Ford says he can understand officers picking up his pets, but once that happens, he expects the animals to be well cared for. Ford says he’s thankful he’s still got his 4-year-old chocolate lab, Cocoa, unlike his 2-year-old -- Golden. Both dogs were picked up for being loose and unattended near his home on Tuesday, July 11 while Ford was at work. The next day, he went to pick them up. “So I was there when they opened up. I went inside to retrieve my two pets and I was told at that time they were both dead – died of a heat stroke,” says Ford. Confused, Ford persisted for answers. He’s glad he did because he learned that Cocoa was in fact alive, though he’s not sure how Golden died. “I to this day still do now know how they found my dog unconscious,” says Ford. He says an official with animal control told him when the dogs arrived at the pound, Golden and a stray were left in the hot truck while Cocoa was taken out in a cage. Just another reason why critics are calling for new management at the shelter that they say has the highest kill rate of any shelter in the metro area. The State Department of Agriculture has cited the shelter for inhumane care, saying more training is in order. “My point is I’m just trying to get a straight answer and no one is trying to provide that,” says Ford. DeKalb County is wrapping up its own investigation as the state also looks into the incident. Apparently some personnel and policy changes have been made. Georgia Commissioner of Agriculture, Tommy Irvin, says if the facts as we know them are true, he would hope law enforcement officials would pursue criminal charges.

Sounds to me like there are a lot of facts missing.

Sounds to me the dog that died was forgotten completely and may have been in the truck more then an hour, but that would just be speculation, that would be wrong.

Sounds to me that a necropsy should have been done.

Lots of facts missing.

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  County fires animal shelter director Report: Dog transported in 130-degree truck

by Andy Phelan
andy@dekalbchamp.com

The firing of the director of DeKalb County Animal Services and Enforcement prompted a small protest by concerned animal rights activists outside government offices on Aug. 28.

Beth Vesco-Mock, who had been on the job less than six months, was fired Aug. 24.

“Dr. Vesco did not meet expectations per her six-month review,” said police spokeswoman Keisha Williams. The Police Department oversees the animal shelter on Camp Road in Decatur.

“We will now conduct a nationwide search for a new director to find the best person for the job,” Williams said.

Although Police Chief Terrell Bolton’s spokeswoman would not elaborate on Vesco-Mock’s firing, it comes on the heels of the Aug. 22 death of a shepherd mix that was picked up in Dunwoody but died while in animal control’s custody.

WSB-TV reported that the owners of the dog, Ashley and John Faris, said their pet died of heat exhaustion because the truck that picked her up did not have air conditioning.

An Aug. 27 Georgia Department of Agriculture report, acquired under Georgia's Open Records Act, showed the compartment in the truck that carried the Faris' dog was 130 degrees by the time it reached the shelter.

The account shows the dog could have been in the truck for more than an hour.

According to the report, Vesco-Mock told a representative from the Department of Agriculture that the dog died of an "apparent heat-related ailment."

The Department of Agriculture sent the dog to the University of Georgia's Vet School for a necropsy to determine the cause of death.

In wake of the incident DeKalb Animal Services, which is overseen by the county police, changed its protocol for transporting animals. "The ASE is not transporting any animal in a vehicle that is not air conditioned in the rear compartments," wrote Deputy Chief J.B. Duncan.

According to Duncan, the county only has one truck equiped with AC in compartments where dogs are transported. Two others in service are now being equipped.

Meanwhile several protestors on Commerce Avenue in front of the Maloof Building on Aug. 28, mostly volunteers at county animal control, supported Vesco-Mock.

“Dr. Vesco gave her heart and soul to her job,” said Heidi Pollyea, a local animal rights activist from Clarkston. “The county needs to give more support to whoever runs the shelter.”

Concerned citizen and animal lover Julie Hunter, who said she is unable to volunteer at the shelter because “it would make me weep every time,” said the lack of air conditioning is a big problem.

“There’s no air conditioning in the back where the dogs are kept and the trucks that pick up animals have no A/C either,” she said. “But there are also problems with a lack of staff and overcrowding.”

Commissioner Jeff Rader, who took a tour of the facility last week, acknowledged deficiencies in the system.

“There is a need for better climate control,” said Rader. “Especially when it’s 104 degrees outside. And the trucks that transport animals also needs air conditioning.”

Rader, who met Vesco while taking the tour, would only say she “seemed competent.”

Between 2002 and 2005, animal control dealt with more than 120,000 calls that resulted in the taking of more than 45,000 animals. Of those, just 4,200 pets were reclaimed and 2,300 adopted. The county euthanized more than 24,000 animals during that span.
The 2005 budget for animal control was $2.2 million.

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130 dgrees is hot.

Lucky the clay county animal control trucks only reached 86 degrees, 15 degrees lower then a dogs normal body temperature of 101.

Maybe it has to to with the fact that our dog trucks provide full ventilation and have fans.

Thankfully the SO investigation cleared the CCAC officer of any wrong doing.

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Let's see the county employees involved in the "experiment" had no one from an outside agency to validate or monitor the results of the experiment. The person who was accused of animal cruelty took part in the experiment. The animal that was used in the "experiment" had been disposed of without any outside validation of its condition after the experiment.

Yes I have alot of faith in those results. No wonder they were cleared.

Clay County Animal Control is an embarrassment to the taxpayers of this county.

The person accused was exonerated of any wrong doing.

That investigation was conducted by the CCSO

Fortunately we don't send people to jail on your faith or huntches

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how are they embarrassments? really? are they an embarrassment cause they do a job no one else has the balls to do? if that's what makes them an embarrassment then damn the village idiot must of graduated from M.I.T. with a doc. in rocket science.

I wonder who's fault it would be ?

If CCAC had trucks with air conditioners and they placed a dog inside an ac cooled box that has been running the streets for hours in 90 to 100 dgree heat, and was over excited. Then dropped dead in the box during transport from hyperthermia because the box provided and instant temperature change.

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Well if someone would have enacted the requested ordinance in 1994. Then we wouldn't be killing over 8000 animals per year in 2008. I guess its job security that prevents them from being proactive in fixing some of the problems. So all these little snafus keep coming from that department that seems to have more issues than public works.

You know if they would have enacted the ordinance then they wouldn't need to complain about the job nobody wants to do. Its a very simple fix. Evidently they didn't mind doing the job or they would have found another line of work.

In the meantime we can be a national embarrassment too.

Mrs. Goon does not write or enact ordinances, she has her officers enforce them. CCAC does not write and enact law.

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No, its clear we have a long list of incompetents in county government. The list is long and it starts at the top and trickles down.

Just curious, what 1994 Requested Ordinance are you talking about?  Who requested it.  Who denied or ignored it?

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http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

A simple requirement to enact an ordinance to have all animals spayed or neutered back in 1994. It was requested by another Commission at that time who was working to stop the needless killing of the all these animals. Well 14 years later and over a 100k animals killed in Clay County alone. While the dead animals rot in the landfill and still no ordinance.

Ok, that tells me nothing. 

If a "Commission" requested it, who denied or ignored it. 

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http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

It was a group just like the one the current Commissioners have requested be formed next month. It was due to problems that existed then just like the ones that continue to exist today in CCAC. They asked the Commissioners to enact the ordinance.

The same results happened then as is happening today such as the talk of a lawsuit.

The Commissioners did not do anything but encourage the lawsuit. Of course we didn't have anti slapp laws at that time. And we still don't have an ordinance in Clay County 14 years later either.

But Tallahassee did see the wisdom in passing anti slapp laws and did.

So, basically, Angela, what you are saying is that 14 years ago "a commission" requested a mandatory spay/neuter ordinance and now you're going to take a stand.  Where have you been for the past 14 years. 

You recently posted a web address Palm Beach County and alleged that you sent it to the County Attorney.  Have you received a response?  Are you going to wait another 14 years to bring it up again?

Have you followed up on this?  Are there any Commissioners interested in this proposal?

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http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

I didn't send anything to the Commissioners that would be a waste of time in my opinion. Commissioner Bush was on the board then and still is. I think you need some competent people to get positive results in the county.  

I been right here telling people the same thing as I do now. Stay away from animal control it has serious issues and has had for many years. I suggest they use a local safe shelter if you want an animal. I would never suggest people call animal control either.

You mean slap upside one's head. 

How can you compare a county employee suing someone for whatever it is "he's" being sued for to "talk of a lawsuit".

So you're telling me that anti slapp laws were enacted due to the great leaders of this county.  Wow, I'm impressed, and all this time I thought I moved to some little bass ackwards, Billy Bob redneck county where it doesn't matter what you know, but who you know.

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http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

When these people objected to way CCAC was being ran and the lack of ordinances back then. CCAC under Goon talked about slanderous remarks then too.

This entire situation is deja vu in Clay County.

Tell that to the little boy that two dogs decided to play tug of war with.  Tell that to the guy that shoots a dog for getting into his garbage. 

Like I've said before, Safe rescues dogs and cats from CCAC, I don't care how they get homes as long as they get homes.

Funny, all this time, I thought the majority ruled. 

Why don't you do us a favor and stop waisting our time.

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http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

Me thinks there is a difference between "slanderous remarks" that will fade with memory and printed lies in a public forum that people like you can/will cut and paste forever.

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http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

Why don't the Commissioners stop wasting our taxdollars? Get the incompetents out of that department and start enacting some ordinances that will fix the problems.

You are wrong those remarks were published in newspapers and the media back in 1994.

Doesn't it just kill you to know that the BoCC can no longer manipulate the County Employee's.

Must be before the newspapers started publishing on the World Wide Web or you would have cut and pasted them.

You still haven't answered my question, Did the County Attorney respond? 

Was that a "diss", you disappeared without even saying goodby, screwed again and not even kissed.  You're breaking my heart.

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http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

Well if the need be I can put them on the website. As a matter of fact it might be a good suggestion to let the citizens of the county really understand the depth of the problems that have continued under the current leadership for all these years.

I did answer the question. I didn't contact the incompetent Commissioners or the attorney.

I must be mistaken, but I seem to remember you posting the West Palm Beach Ordinance and alleging that you sent (e-mailed) it to the County Attorney.  My apologies if wrong and I will leave you now.  Good Bye, cut and paste to your hearts desire.

Please go to:

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

The Commissioners don't need to manipulate the employees. They work for the County Manager. However, the Commissioner hire the county manager. We have already had one incompetent County Manager. Are we working with another one? I think the Commissioners have ever right to asked the County Manager about any incompetent employee that works for him and us the taxpayers.

I wonder if we have another set of incompetent Commissioners who do nothing?

I did post the ordinance to show how competent Commissioners act. I never said or sent it to the county attorney. I don't have alot of faith in him either.

Good night.

Foxx;

I hear what you are saying but this is the regularly scheduled BCC meeting. This is the same time it is always held and I think you might just have pointed out why it is held at that time.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling there will be more people there to protest this issue than there are during regular meetings.

In addition to this, there will be a discussion about the charter amendment issue. You know the one where the SOE put the wrong summary on the ballot? That has a 'Time Certain' of 4 PM. So if you want to miss the CCAC festivities at least come for the song and dance show about the petition. I'm sure it will be entertaining.

In addition to the tap dancing there will be much arm waving and finger pointing. But in the end it is probably going to be the citizens of Clay County that take the hit for some elected or appointed official(s) screwing things up again.

But never fear, as soon as we get the two spare members of this troupe in place I'm sure we'll be much better prepared to deal with this type of issue. Heck we'll probably be paying them full time wages for part time work so they should do a better job right?  

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If you koolaid drinkers have time for a bogue picket, you have time to get jobs.

I'm not a kool-aid drinker and I have a job. I also have a responsiblity as a citizen to be involved in what goes on in our government. I have a right to voice objections to actions taken or not taken by our officials.

I have the constitutional right to express those feeling without fear of a lawsuit in the form of a SLAPP being placed against me or other citizens who voice their concerns as well.

Finder there is a method to the madness. If they had public comments at 6:30 or 7:00 at night people might show up and complain.

Angela;

My point exactly about the time.

We pinheads just are not going to be able to convince the non-pinheads that as soon as you introduce a live animal into an experiment you have changed the dynamics of the situation.

They can call this whatever they want, but the best thing I can think to call it is stupid. Calling this an experiment on the temperature of the box and saying the dog was just a bit player just doesn't meet the sniff test.

If I conducted an experiment to see if putting 10 dogs in a 120 degree car to see if their 101 degree body temperature would lower the car's internal temperature they would scream bloody murder and have me arrested. Pulling their bonehead trick with this experiment makes just as much sense.

I have yet to see anyone explain how it is that this well trained, qualified individual did not realize that this dog was in trouble when he picked it up. If the running around the neighborhood has so much to do with the death why wasn't the time taken to cool the dog down with water?

Was it because he had to get to that oh so important meeting that he didn't have time to deal with the animal properly? The part that is beyond my comprehension is that he has no idea when the dog died. All he knows is that after the meeting the dog was dead.

If he is so great at being able to tell when an animal is in trouble that he is qualified to be an observer for this dog box temperature experiment why did he never check on the dog during this episode? What the heck was he thinking? He should have known the dog was at risk when he picked it up.

But then, what the heck do I know? I'm just an unqualified, kool-aid sucking pinhead that should not be asking embarrassing questions of someone that has been running the best, trouble free Animal Control Center in NE Florida for the past 19 years.

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Finder you state 

"But then, what the heck do I know? I'm just an unqualified, kool-aid sucking pinhead that should not be asking embarrassing questions of someone that has been running the best, trouble free Animal Control Center in NE Florida for the past 19 years."

Glad to hear you admitt to your short commings. A man should know his limitations.

Maybe if you educated yourself more on the topic you would have a better understanding instead of taking giant leaps of assumptions as you often do. 

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Truth I think he was just being funny and making a joke. You know sorta like all those asinine statements you make on the blogs. I have come to understand maybe not appreciate your level of comprehension. I guess that's what makes the blogs fun.

You guys who like to go around and threaten people with SLAP while on the boss'es dime just ain't gonna understand reality. I give up

Really

Thanks Angela I never would have known that without your assistance. Not!

My level of comprension is just fine. But I must question yours for you were very quick to point out to me Finders little funny, yet failed to see mine.

Yes the blogs are fun

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Finder the "experiment" that was conducted on the animal. This was conducted by the women who was cited for weaknesses as not noticing when animals need baths or nails trimmed, and their lack of supervisor's skills. They were reprimanded in 2006 for putting the wrong dog to sleep and for reporting drugs missing that weren't. Then we add into the mix the person that is being accused and investigated for animal cruelty in this case involved in the experiment. Of course the animal has not been produce to provide any evidence or had any oversight by an outside source. That is reckless and intentional in my opinion.  

Yes Dynacoman you are correct the same people who SLAPP citizens for speaking out also blog on the boss's dime too. It appears our county government supports these type actions. As one of the taxpayers and their boss, I don't.

I just went out and placed a thermometor in my dogs dog house. Someone call the police and have me arrested for animal experimentation. LMAO

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If I switch brands of dog food can I be arrested for experimenting on my dog? I better give up my pets, I don't want a criminal record.

I find it very interesting that we are compairing todays issues to 1994. To quote Angela..

"Well if someone would have enacted the requested ordinance in 1994. Then we wouldn't be killing over 8000 animals per year in 2008. I guess its job security that prevents them from being proactive in fixing some of the problems. So all these little snafus keep coming from that department that seems to have more issues than public works.

You know if they would have enacted the ordinance then they wouldn't need to complain about the job nobody wants to do. Its a very simple fix. Evidently they didn't mind doing the job or they would have found another line of work.

In the meantime we can be a national embarrassment too."

 How in the heck can it be assumed that the above quoted statement has any merit to it? Who is to say that if said ordinance was enacted in 1994 that it would not have been recalled in 1995? Too many "what-ifs" in your logic Angela. You might try sticking with FACTS instead of assumptive statements.

Here is a scenario for you: (using your time frame of 14 years)

1) The spay/neuter ordinance is passed in 2008.

2) in 5 years (2013) all pets are accounted for by the CCAC and there is money to build a new facility funded entirely by the monies collected dUe to the new ordinance. We are experiencing a population growth in the county as famlies are moving here, with their animals.

3) 5 years after that (2018) the county population has a growth spurt and we have 25 famlies moving to Clay County per day with an average of .5 animals per household.

4) 4 years later (2021) we have over-population of unwanted animals due to those famlies that moved here 4 years ago and could not conform to the ordinance and strays that have reproduced. Now we are "killing" animals again to the tune of 10K per year.

Could you tell me based on your extensive knowledge in "all things" where would that lleave us? Is this scenario possible?

I know, you really can't answer that so what makes you think enacting an ordinance in 1994 would have acceptable results today?

What ever your answer is it cannot be substantiated because there are too many variables to consider. This line of arguement that you are trying to follow is "mute" and cannot reach a logical conclusion.