WOW! CCAC goes national!!The following is a press release from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). For Immediate Release: October 9, 2008 Contact: Daphna Nachminovitch 757-622-7382, ext. 8338; DaphnaN@peta.org Holly Beal 757-943-0093; HollyB@peta.org PETA CALLS FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO CRUEL EXPERIMENT IN WHICH HOMELESS DOG WAS LOCKED IN HOT TRUCK PETA Believes County Agents' Action Illegal Green Cove Springs, Fla. — This morning, PETA sent an urgent letter to Fourth Judicial District State Attorney Harry Shorstein urging him to launch an immediate investigation into an incident last month in which Clay County officials deliberately locked a homeless dog inside a non-air-conditioned truck in the midday heat for an hour, apparently in a crude experiment to see if the dog would die. The experiment was purportedly conducted to determine whether heat had been responsible for the September 10 death of another dog, Diamond, who was found dead in an animal control truck. Diamond had been confined there for more than an hour without water or fresh air, including while the driver—animal control officer Billy Wilson—attended a meeting. The fate of the dog who was used in the experiment is unknown. PETA points out that besides being extremely cruel, the experiment likely violated federal law because it wasn't conducted in a facility approved by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), nor was it screened by an oversight committee as required by law. PETA has filed a formal complaint with the USDA calling for an investigation followed by all appropriate charges. The group has also sent a letter to the Clay County Board of Commissioners urging it to set a strict policy that would prevent any more animals from needlessly suffering and dying in the county's custody. PETA is calling on the Board of Commissioners to take the following steps right away: · Outfit all Clay County Animal Control vehicles with air conditioning · Institute an enforceable policy to prohibit officers from putting animals' lives at risk during transport or at any other time · Disclose the whereabouts and condition of the dog who was used in the experiment "Everyone knows that leaving animals in hot vehicles can be deadly, so this crude 'experiment' was nothing but animal abuse," says PETA Vice President Daphna Nachminovitch. "One dog needlessly died and another, at the very least, suffered at the hands of Clay County officials who must be held accountable." PETA's letters to the Clay County Board of Commissioners, State Attorney Harry Shorstein, and the USDA are available upon request. For more information about PETA, please visit PETA.org. Submitted by ClayCountyCitizen on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 3:57pm.
Submitted by firered on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 5:56pm.
if you paid close attetion you would have found out the dog survived. you got to go back and look at both sides. it might not have been the right thing to do but you have to take a look in there shoes!!
Submitted by finder on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 6:52pm.
I'm pretty sure they picked up on the fact that the dog survived the experiment. What they want to know is where the dog is now and what its current condition is. My gut tells me there is a good chance that the dog was not adopted out. Political advertisement paid for and approved by, Mike Heemer, write-in, for Commission Chair.
Submitted by TruthHurts on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 8:17pm.
Spins and lies. The dog was not left in the heat to see if it would die. The dog was placed inside the animal control truck designed to carry animals with full ventilation and the fans were on. The dog was never in any danger and no harm came to the dog from this. The dog was continually monitored. They wanted to check how the dogs body heat effected the inside temperatures of the box. This is being blown way out of proportion from those we all now very well here. It's just more spin and lies. TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill.
Submitted by kilroy on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 8:54pm.
Thousands of animals have been transported, and continue to be, in similar boxes, throughout this nation. Someone might want to let PETA know that no animal was locked in an unventilated van. But if PETA does decide to visit, please bring a check for 8 external air conditioning units, all the hardware necessary to install and temperature alert alarms. Make the check payable to CCBoCC "General Fund", because monetary donations cannot be made directly to CCAC. BTW the boxes are approximately 8'x5'x4'. Let us know when PETA is coming and we'll set up hors-d'oeuvre's, is ham and roast beef OK? Please go to: Submitted by Dynacoman on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 7:33am.
Just what we need now, PETA. When is the last time they actually did something constructive? Submitted by Angela on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 7:58am.
They are doing what I've told Mr Rammon he should have done back in Dec of last year when he first came on the blogs. "PETA points out that besides being extremely cruel, the experiment likely violated federal law because it wasn't conducted in a facility approved by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), nor was it screened by an oversight committee as required by law. PETA has filed a formal complaint with the USDA calling for an investigation followed by all appropriate charges."
Submitted by finder on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 9:25am.
That is exactly what we need. It is about time that this operation got a good hard look from an outside agency, or more than one. It can only be a good thing. It will either put to rest any ideas that there are problems down there, or it will bring them to the light of day for all to see and begin to resolve them. If it means holding a good old fashioned house cleaning then so be it. If it means some eating crow for having said some unkind things about CCAC then that would be a good thing also. But the bottom line is we will know for sure whether or not we are getting our money's worth from this group. There is one question that I have yet to see answered here. Where is the dog that was used in this experiment? Political advertisement paid for and approved by, Mike Heemer, write-in, for Commission Chair. Submitted by nana on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 10:05am.
So many untruths have been told sinc Sept 10th when Diamond died. How would any one know if the dog in the experiment lived or not. Surely it would not be told the same way who can say no animals suffered death along with Diamond . Do you really beleive it would be told. Submitted by Dynacoman on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 10:16am.
My understanding is the dog is alive and doing well.
Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 4:27pm.
My guess is the homeless dogs fate was the same as any other homeless dog that ends up at CCAC. It was adopted, rescued, or humanly euthanized. This dog was not tortured or experimented on, and no one is guilty of animal cruelty here. The dog was not locked in a truck with no ventilation to see if it would die. That's insane. The trucks dog box that this dog was placed in was a custom built animal control transport box with full ventilation and fans on. This is most likely the same way this dog was transported to the shelter to begin with. This is the same nationaly accepted way of transporting dogs all across the nation. Dogs are placed on those transports all across the nation and spend hours at a time in them. What was being tested was how the animals body heat effects the inside temperature of the dog box. No harm came to the dog, and the dog was monitored the whole time. This dog was never in any danger once so ever. As far as PETA goes eating a hamburger is animal cruelty to them. So maybe we all should be arrested. This is just another attack on CCAC by our favorite local attack dog that somehow got PETA"S phone number and learned how to match up and press the right numbers. In a letter dated September 30, 2008 from Mr. Bodenweber to the County Manager he states and I quote.
“On September 25, 2008 we conducted an experiment1, the objective2 of which was to recreate the environmental conditions3 the Rottweiler experienced as closely as possible.” 1 Just an experiment, not experiment on a dog. 2 Objective, the reason and purpose. 3 Environmental conditions, the temperature. During this experiment the temperature inside the box never exceeded 86 Degrees. A dogs normal body temperature 101 degrees. The inside temperature of that dog box was 15 degrees lower then the dogs normal body temperature at it's worst point. Placing a dog in an animal control dog truck custom designed to carry dogs for hours with full ventilation and fans on is not torture, and the crime of animal cruelty was not committed. It's all spin. TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill.
Submitted by finder on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 4:59pm.
Then why was the dog used? If the dog was just incidental to the experiment then they could have used a stuffed animal of approximately the same size. Political advertisement paid for and approved by, Mike Heemer, write-in, for Commission Chair. Submitted by suziehomemaker on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 5:03pm.
I have made contact with several local veternarians who have heard about this experiment conducted by CCAC. They are shocked that an agency who is totally operated by the county would conduct such an experiment on any animal putting it through such torture. One vet informed me that when students at local schools use animals in science fair projects for any reason, these projects have to be completely monitored by a veternarian at all times. We are not talking about putting them inside hot containers..but things like using two dogs to compare dog food or grooming products, etc. Why would the director or CCAC department head do an experiment like this or any experiment without having a vet there to monitor the animal? The employees at CCAC are not vets or certified vet techs. If they wanted to measure the temperatures inside the box...why didn't they just park the vehicle in the sun and place a thermometer inside the box to see how hot it got inside? Makes alot more sense..instead of using this poor dog. And why won't anyone tell us where the dog is now?
Submitted by Christina on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 5:05pm.
Come on, People!!!! So much time and thought poured into the matter of a dead dog. No, I'm not completely void of compassion; I'm sure this dog was treasured by it's owner, although if I treasured my dog the way this owner supposedly did, I certainly would have been more responsible in caring for it. What I wonder is, why aren't "you people" (and you know who you are) displaying this much "righteous indignation" over an abused, molested, and/or murdered child? What about the millions of human lives aborted in this nation every year? Where is your out-cry? The Creator gave us dogs, cats, etc. as food (no, I'm not advocating eating dogs and/or cats), companions and in some cases, servants. I can sense your "pucker-factor". Those who deliberately cause harm to these creatures will certainly answer to their Maker one day. Do any of you have jobs, lives? Pathetic. Is this some kind of sick hobby or yours? Let's move on. I'll bet you're all voting for Obama, aren't you?
Submitted by Christina on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 5:06pm.
Come on, People!!!! So much time and thought poured into the matter of a dead dog. No, I'm not completely void of compassion; I'm sure this dog was treasured by it's owner, although if I treasured my dog the way this owner supposedly did, I certainly would have been more responsible in caring for it. What I wonder is, why aren't "you people" (and you know who you are) displaying this much "righteous indignation" over an abused, molested, and/or murdered child? What about the millions of human lives aborted in this nation every year? Where is your out-cry? The Creator gave us dogs, cats, etc. as food (no, I'm not advocating eating dogs and/or cats) as companions and in some cases, servants. I can sense your "pucker-factor". Those who deliberately cause harm to these creatures will certainly answer to their Maker one day. Do any of you have jobs, lives? Pathetic. Is this some kind of sick hobby or yours? Let's move on. I'll bet you're all voting for Obama, aren't you?
Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 5:07pm.
Because they wanted to see how the dogs body heat effects the climate. The custom designed dog trucks are designed to carry dogs for hours, they are not in question and are an industry standard. Putting the dog in the box is the norm throughout the country. Putting the dog in the box is not an experiment on the dog the industry already accepts this as being just fine. They wanted to see what and how the climate changed. Whats so hard to understand ? TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill.
Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 5:15pm.
Duh because the body heat of an animal also effects the temperatures in the box. Putting an animal in an animal control truck does not constitute an experiment on a dog. Using your logic every animal placed on a truck is being experimented on. Thats ludicrous. The trucks and boxes are designed for this purpose and they have full ventilation and fans. They are an industry standard and accepted all around the nation. There is no crime in placing a dog on a animal control truck that is designed and used for this purpose.
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We see your point. But you are missing the real point here. Why was the experiment conducted in the first place when there was a necropsy done? And who in the world would conduct an experiment like this on a live animal? Don't you think it would have been easier to contact the manufacturer of the dog boxes and find out from them if these boxes had been tested for climate related heat issues? DUH!!!
Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 5:29pm.
Maybe they were taking that extra step to make sure that something was not being over looked. Maybe they just wanted to be certain that those trucks were ok, Maybe they were being prudent so nothing bad happens in the future. Maybe they were doing their jobs. You keep focusing on an animal experiment like this, no experiment was conducted on that dog I don't know whats so hard to understand. Placing dogs on those trucks are the norm and nationally accepted in that industry. This is why I call this spin. There was no experiment on a dog. There was an experiment on what the temperature changes are while a dog is in a custom designed animal control dog truck with full ventilation and fans on. The experiment also shown that the temperature never exceeded 86 degrees which is 15 degrees lower then the dogs normal body temperature. TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill. Submitted by suziehomemaker on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 5:46pm.
Read Mr Bodenweber's own report..that I must say you just quoted above. It clearly says and I quote "we conducted an experiment". What part of that do you not understand? And as far as the inside temperature and the dogs temperature is concerned..a vet has stated that the two were then combined, making this experiment illegal and caused unreasonable suffering for the dog. And how can anyone involved be sure the dog did not suffer? There is nothing in his report stating that at any time the dogs temperature was taken and monitored before or after the EXPERIMENT!! So your explaination and reasons as to why this was done makes no sense, because in order to determine the dogs body temp and effects on the temps in the box...you would have to check the dogs temp before, during and after the EXPERIMENT!!!
Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 5:50pm.
And read further what the experiment was. It does not say we experimented on a dog. It was to test the enviromental conditions in the box as it relates to body heat of the dog. There is no question that it is perfectly acceptable to use those dog boxes as an industry standard for transporting dogs. Dogs are held in boxes just like that all across the nation for hours at a time. Therefore if you are using the logic that says putting the dog inside the dog box is experimenting on a dog, your logic is flawed TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill. Submitted by suziehomemaker on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 5:52pm.
I think the ones that conducted this EXPERIMENT are FLAWED!!!
Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 6:03pm.
That's fine you are definately entitled to your opinion. Personally I think you are spinning facts and making something out of nothing. No harm ever came to that dog during this process, and the dog was never in any danger. The dog was put on an animal control truck with dog boxes designed to carry animals as is used all across the nation and is an industry standard with full ventilation and fans on. Then a thermometer was placed inside to see the effects on the temperature. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no crime in placing a dog on an animal control truck designed to carry them around for hours and is being used all over the land. TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill. Submitted by jerseygirl on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 9:34pm.
Please tell me that you people truly believe that PETA actually cares about animals! Have you any idea of the statistics of the number of animals that were euthanized by PETA? If you are capable of reading check out this website about your beloved PETA.http://www.petakillsanimals.com/. These are the same "wonderful" people that wanted the Vick pit bulls put down because they were unable to be rehabilitated. Now if you truly care about animals check Best Friends Animal Sanctuary that rehabilitated these horrible killer pits. I find it amazing that an organization that wants to save animals, wanted to condemn dogs to death, unseen. Isn't that breed discrimination? I guess not when it's PETA. I truly feel sorry for those of you that think PETA is the answer. They are nothing more than a terrorist organization that kills animals in the name of saving them. Anyone think there's something wrong with this picture? If not you have issues that are beyond hope. Once again Mr. Hate leads the charge with his personal vendetta. Do something constructive for a change and have your venom removed. You hurt the very animals you claim need the help the most. I am actually sorry for you, your hate has taken over your life and you do not even realize that you need help.Work for a positive change, negativism poisons your mind and your world. Those of you who are capable of thought (if there are any of you out there) do more to save the animals. Promote adoption, spay or neuter, make a life time commitment to the animals you adopt, volunteer to help, transport or at least care. I know that I will cross the Rainbow Bridge with a lot of loving animals waiting for me, Mr. Hate you will cross the river Styx and remain in the dark for all eternity.
Submitted by gottasayit on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 10:27pm.
Hey Finder..you wanted to know what happened to the dog that was used in Bill Bodenweber's experiment at CCAC. Well....it was killed by CCAC. Most likely to hide any evidence that it suffered while being tortured inside that hot truck. Just like the same way CCAC destroyed evidence when they froze "Diamond" after she was found dead on their truck. Anyone who has had the Florida ACO training knows that you do not freeze an animal that is being submitted for necropsey. The poor dog that was used for this horrible experiment was euthanized shortly thereafter. I guess Mr. Bodenweber and CCAC said..."Well his time is up anyway..we'll use him for our experiment and then kill him...unless of course he dies during the experiment" Anyway...even after several rescue groups tried to take this dog... they were denied. Makes you wonder..... Just what kind of monster is running CCAC. No matter what anyones says, I think they have crossed the line between helping and harming.
Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 10:58pm.
Oh thats such a lie. You are an out and out bold faced liar. The dog was not tortured, thats a lie. The dog was not experimented on thats a lie. Your spinning lies out of pure hate to slander and defame the people at CCAC. Did'nt the Sheriff tell you to stop blogging your hate ? or am I mistaken.
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Submitted by finder on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 8:30am.
Hey Gottasayit! Thanks for the info. One question though. Do you know for a fact the dog was put down or just strongly suspect it as I do? I don't know that I would use the word tortured for what was done to this dog but the fact is that if you use a live animal in an experiment, you are by rote that animal is part and parcel to that experiment and is subjected to the processes of that experiment. You see if you make a statement that certain people don't agree with you are spinning lies. Whatever or however you want to look at this or call it there are some givens. The dog was used in an experiment by people unqualified to conduct that experiment. There were no readings taken on the dog before or during the experiment to document its pre-experiment condition or any affects the experiment had on the animal. There was no veterinarian standing by to render true professional assistance in case the dog went into some kind of shock. If what you say is true the dog has now been put down so that there can be no information gathered on the dogs physical condition. All in all a truly bone head operation. It just gives the average person the feeling that the dog was already scheduled to be put down so it didn't really matter what happened to it in that box. Whether or not there were any adverse affects on the animal is irrelevant at this point. They cannot disprove any allegations made against them. It's like someone made the decision that because the dog was going to be put down, they would donate its body to science. Unfortunately the animal was not yet dead. Political advertisement paid for and approved by, Mike Heemer, write-in, for Commission Chair.
Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 9:17am.
Finder you are once again wrong yourself, and have no problems with helping out with the spin on this subject. I think the people that did this were qualified to read a thermometer. I think they were qualified in loading a dog onto an animal control truck. I think they were qualified to monitor the dog and make sure it was not in distress. Animal control officers are trained to assess an animals condition and they do it every day. Besides placing an animal in those dog boxes are an industry standard and considered humane. No readings were need to be taken on the dog for one simple reason the experiment was not in any way about the dog. No vet was needed to stand by because there is nothing wrong with a dog being in the dog boxes and is considered safe and humane. They did not put the dog in the box to see if it would die or go into shock as indicated by some. It's not like they decided they would donate the dogs body to sceince as you indicate. That statement is totally misleading. That's spin that's a lie. The dog was placed inside a dog box on an animal control truck designed for carrying animals in a safe and humane manner. Those dog boxes have full ventilation and fans which were on. That dog was never in any danger and no harm came to that dog. That dog was monitored at all times to make sure it did not become distressed. If by placing a dog inside an animal control truck constitutes torture or dog experimentation then every animal control officer across the nation and world is guilty of crimes against animals. The experiment was directed at the climate in the box not the dog. It is already an industry standard that placing dogs inside those boxes is humane. The only thing that happened to this dog was to put it in a dog box that is already considered in the industry as safe and humane. Putting the dog in the box is not dog experimentation, or torture, that's ludicrous. If that homeless dog was put down, it was because no owner came to claim it, no one came to adopt it, and no rescue group decided to take it. You are trying to make something out of nothing by implying this dogs life and or body was donated to science. It was not, and yes you are spinning big time. Those dog trucks are cutom designed to carry dogs on board for hours at a time and it happens all over the nation. By the way, the inside of that dog box never exceeded 86 degrees, a dogs normal body temperature is 101, the inside of that dog box at it's hottest point remained 15 degrees lower then the dogs body temperature. The box also provided complete shade from the sun, and full ventilation with fans on. TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill. Submitted by FTDOAAWM on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 10:33am.
I’m confused, doesn’t PETA stand for: People Eating Tasty Animals? I don’t know maybe I’m wrong. People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their part.
Submitted by kilroy on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 11:24am.
Once again Clay County's finest are making a stand. Thousands of animals have been transported in this very same type of "dog box" by CCAC for years. As a matter of fact, up until 2005, the dog boxes did not even have ventilation fans. One dog dies; the news media sensationalizes this, a dog owner puts on his "Sunday Best", sheds a tear, and "Bam" here we are. A teen aged girl is killed by a negligent driver at a known dangerous intersection "Bam" costly flashing cautions lights are installed and the posted speed limit is reduced to where it should have been long before this tragedy. I know of at least two other fatalities on CR 215 previous to this girl being killed, but the news media did not see those accidents as "sensational" so no actions were taken. Capture Myopathy mostly affects wildlife, but it can and does affect domestic animals. I would like to know who the local Veterinarians are that suziehomemaker contacted are and how they can possibly compare monitoring temperatures to a scientific experiment? Most of the local Veterinarians see, or examine animals, transported under the same conditions almost daily. If CCAC placed a thermometer in a dog box and left a dog in the box and the dog ate the thermometer and suffered, then you would have a complaint. Right now all you have is "head hunters" that want to see the people that disciplined them fired. Thanks jerseygirl, but you do realize that you are a Yankee, and a Yankee don't know nuthin. Please go to:
Submitted by finder on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 11:27am.
TH; Your last post is exactly why I say that they were not qualified to perform this experiment. They are qualified (I assume) to do their job and that is all they are qualified for. They are not scientists or veterinarians. Monitoring a dog during something like this means more than someone standing around looking at the dog. If you are going to conduct an experiment then you have to know what the conditions are to start. You take readings along the way and you have to know what the conditions are at the end in order to evaluate the results. By the way, the inside of that dog box never exceeded 86 degrees, a dogs normal body temperature is 101, the inside of that dog box at it's hottest point remained 15 degrees lower then the dogs body temperature. How do you know that? If the dog's temperature was not taken before, during and after then you have no idea what the dog's actual body temperature was. You only know what it is for an average dog not this dog. You also don't know if it went up or stayed the same during the duration of this experiment. That is why I say that they were not qualified to perform that experiment. They had no clue what they started with, what they had during the process and even less of a clue of what they ended with. These are only a few of the requirements of documenting an experiment. If you don't know that, then you are not qualified to perform the experiment either. I know that I am not. I could set up the parameters that I want to test, I could set up the procedures to be followed and I could delineate the expected results but I would never ever presume to perform this experiment with the people at CCAC. I would have made sure that I consulted with and had a vet standing by. Anything else is just plain lunacy. Why in the world would these people even consider opening up that can of worms? Oh that's right, they wanted to clear the ACO and so they did. Unfortunately they did it with corrupted and unverified data. In the process they made themselves look like a bunch of ignorant amateurs. And that is exactly what they are when it comes to conducting a verifiable and repeatable experiment. And I would NOT have put that dog down for a while. It just opens you up to way too much speculation about the results. Truth, there just isn't enough standup in the world to protect them from this one. They made a HUGE mistake and somebody needs to finally take responsibility for poor decision making. I don't even work with animals but if someone suggested something like this to me the first thing I'd ask them is, "Are you out of your mind?" Political advertisement paid for and approved by, Mike Heemer, write-in, for Commission Chair.
Submitted by kilroy on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 11:35am.
That's so wrong, funny but wrong. Thanks for the giggle. "People" for the "Ethical" "Treatment" of "Animals" Ethical now that's an interesting word. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical
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I see Don's army is at it again spreading the fertilizer.
Submitted by gottasayit on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 5:04pm.
Finder, According to the investigating officer with CCSO, the dog used in the experiment was euthanized after the experiment was done. He said that CCAC told him that the dogs time was up and no one wanted the dog. I got a great idea...why don't we use all the prisoners on death row for human experiments. Whats the difference, their time is up too!!! We can inject them with all kinds of agents or drugs that are in the experimental stages to see how they react. But at least they would be under the care of professionals who know what they are doing and they would be monitored by a doctor. Not just put in a box and stared at!! These individuals at CCAC and Bill Bodenweber are crazy and stupid if they think they can convience anyone that this experiment was justified or not just plain animals cruelty. Ask any ACO what they would do if they were sent to investigate a complaint that a citizen had put his dog inside a fiberglass box in the heat of the afternoon just to see how the dog reacted to the heat, without even taking the dogs temperature...do you think that they would not seize that dog and charge the person with cruelty? Better than that..ask any deputy at CCSO what they would do? I think you would find out that someone is going to jail. Hey Dyno...Just wanted you to know that Don's army is growing!!! People in this county are sticking together with Don to help improve CCAC and put someone in there that has the leadership, experience, skills and professionalism to run CCAC and give this county a better shelter.
Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 7:25pm.
Finder and gottasayit you are both truely pinheads. You mean to tell me that the staff at CCAC are qualified to stick a swab up a dogs rectum and test it for parvo. But they are not qualified to read a thermometor placed in a dog box where a dog is being housed. You mean to tell me they are qualified to stick a thermometor up a dogs rectum to check it's temperature, but cannot place a thermometor in where the dog is being housed outside of it's rectum. As long as the thermometor is in the dogs rectum thats cool. You are telling me that they can pick up an injured dog on the side of the road render it first aid and transport it to a vet. But cannot place a thermometor in where it is being housed You are telling me that everytime they place a dog in a dog box they need a vet standing by, and that torture is being committed against the dog. You are telling me that if CCAC decided to place thermometors in every dog box, that every time they put a dog in it, they are conducting an illegal experiment on that dog and need a vet standing by. Let me explain this again so even an idiot can understand it ok. The experiment was NOT on the dog. This is why no data was needed from the dog once so ever. This is why no vet was needed to be standing by. CCAC does not experiment on dogs. The experiment WAS on what the temperature change is when a dog is placed inside the box. The experiment and data they were looking for WAS TEMPERATURE CHANGE. NOT DOG CHANGE. Placing dogs inside the dog boxes is perfectly legal. It's not torture, and it's done all across the nation. They have been used for many years and are accepted as safe and humane. CAN YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS. Now in saying that, they placed a dog in a pefectly safe and humane dog box and put a thermometor in to check the temp. change. If they put a termometor in a dog run would that be illegal animal experimentation too. NO! If they stuck a thermometor up the dogs rectum (much more invasive I would say) Is that illegal dog experimentation. NO!! of course not. You idiots need to get over yourselves. By the way the dog was never harmed, was never tortured, was never experimented on. The dog was held for 5 days after the climate experiment was done. No one went to rescue the dog, no one went to adopt the dog, and no one went to reclaim the dog. The dog was humanly euthanized as is every other animal that no one wants. You are both pathetic. Critical thinking is beyond you both.
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Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 7:56pm.
An ACO puts a dog in an animal control dog box, is this torture, animal cruelty ? NO An ACO puts a dog in an animal control dog box and puts a thermometor inside the box. Is this illegal animal experimentation ? NO No one is going to jail pinhead TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill. Submitted by Angela on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 7:57pm.
I couldn't take action on this fast enough but I have to say that I edited the pre-written statement was far too weak and did not ask for enough.
Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 8:08pm.
Diamond wasn't forgotten, she was inside the dog box for about 1 1/2 hours. There is much missing from your little scenerio, like how long were they in the truck, Was a necropsy done and what was the outcome. When you say they were forgotton do you mean they were left there for an outragous amount of time, or 15 minutes. What do you think would happen to a dog that was running the streets for 3 or 4 hours and placed into an ac box ???? can you say hyperthermia, Death. Over heated excited animals must be cooled down slowly. Just as a starving dog must be fed small portions. Otherwise you kill them TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill. Submitted by Angela on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 8:23pm.
Truth why does the CCAC policy require them to carry water on their trucks? Did this animal control officer have water on the truck? No matter why the dog was picked up. Once it was in the hands of CCAC it becomes their responsibility to ensure the safety and welfare of that animal. As you stated above "Animal control officers are trained to assess an animals condition and they do it every day." According to witnesses the dog was in distress. Is this animal control officer untrained? If they wanted an experiment to check the temperature in the box why did they need an animal to conduct that experiment? If as it states in the report to recreate the situation then what did they do to the animal prior to it being placed in the box to accurately recreate the situation?
Submitted by Christina on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 8:27pm.
TH, you might as well p!ss in the wind, my friend. Apparently, these "kool-aid drinkers" would rather nit-pick this matter than go protest an abortion clinic. I came to this conclusion since no one felt compelled to respond to my post last night. What about it, Angela and cronies? Where's your out cry over the murder of innocent babies being torn apart during an abortion. I'm sure there are murders taking place in Clay Co. If you're going to be indignant, why not be so regarding something really immoral? "illegitimi non carborundum"
Submitted by Christina on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 8:27pm.
TH, you might as well p!ss in the wind, my friend. Apparently, these "kool-aid drinkers" would rather nit-pick this matter than go protest an abortion clinic. I came to this conclusion since no one felt compelled to respond to my post last night. What about it, Angela and cronies? Where's your out cry over the murder of innocent babies being torn apart during an abortion. I'm sure there are murders taking place in Clay Co. If you're going to be indignant, why not be so regarding something really immoral? "illegitimi non carborundum"
Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 8:33pm.
Yes they do keep water on the trucks, at least thats my understanding. I can't speak for that officer but water just like food must be carefully introduced to a dog that has been running the streets and is highly excited and hot. It's better to let the dog get in the box and cool down then slowly introduce the water after the dog is calm. If you introduce water in those bad conditions the dogs stomache can bloat, then turn upside down and kill the dog. Animals give off body heat, body heat effects the inside temperature. They wanted to see what the temperature changes are. The test was only to test temperature change in the box while a dog was inside. It had nothing to do with dogs, it had everything to do with temperature change TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill. Submitted by Angela on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 8:40pm.
I've decided not to answer any of your post. In another blog you made a statement to me. I asked you to be more specific and you did not reply. Maybe you can answer that now and I'll consider your statements or questions. "You are treading on thin ice, my friend. Your aspirations could very well back-fire in your face." Would you care to elaborate on that statement?
Submitted by kilroy on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 9:53pm.
Angela and Gottasayit, you're comparing apples to peaches. If a citizen put a dog into a "fiberglass box" and left it unattended, both you and I would act appropriately. If a citizen put a dog into a "fiberglass box" and was standing by checking the air temperature inside of the box, both you a I would commend that citizen. According to Angela the Dekalb County "forgot" his animals. Did he intentionally forget them? Instead of head hunting, why don't you suggest to the citizens to demand that the BoCC supply air-conditioned boxes? Gottasayit since when is information received during an ongoing investigation of a felony offense released in a public forum? You make it sound like this dog was immediately "killed". Your statement is misleading. Please go to: Submitted by Angela on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 10:02pm.
This animal that was used to recreate the situation concerning Diamond was reckless and intentional by the CCAC personnel who was involved in this experiment. It states in the report to recreate the situation then what did they do to the animal prior to it being placed in the box to accurately recreate the situation?
Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 10:13pm.
Angela your wrong. It states "to recreate and measure the enviromental conditions" Again they were wanting to know how a dogs body heat effected the temperature in the box. that's all it was. Nothing more nothing less. They did nothing to the dog. The "recreate" is putiing a dog inside the box which is not a crime and which in and of itself is considered safe an humane. The "enviromental conditions" is putting a thermometor in the box to see what the climate change was. Nothing more nothing less. The box had full ventilation and the fans were on. The dog was monitored at all times.
TRUTHHURTS Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill. Submitted by Angela on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 10:30pm.
How do you recreate the condition of the inside of that box without the same situation being presented? What was Diamond's body temperature when she was placed in the box? Was it the same as the dog used in the experiment? Of course we know the temperature of the animal being placed in the box would effect the outcome of the experiment and the conditions in the box. Without all the proper data to accurately recreate any part of the situation would render the results moot. The experiment was reckless, intentional, and resulted in an invalid result of any accurate recreation and completely unnecessary. Submitted by 2much2say on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 10:30pm.
have you read the report???????? i think you missed something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 10:31pm.
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Oct09Reenactment Performed to See if Heat Kills Dogs? Are You Kidding?!
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Hold on to your cruelty-free hats for this one, folks. We've got a case of the hideously cruel and ridiculously obvious to break.
In early September, caring individuals contacted us about the death of Diamond, a Rottweiler who died en route to an animal shelter while in the custody of a Clay County, Florida, animal control officer. The poor dog likely died from heat shock, allegedly because the animal control officer recklessly decided to leave her to suffer in the back of the seething-hot van with no air conditioning, water, or fresh air on an 85° day—so the officer could attend a staff meeting.
When a necropsy came up inconclusive, Clay County public officials actually decided a reenactment was necessary so they could prove that the officer wasn't at fault. Ready for it … WHAT?!!???!!
Yeah, you can't make this stuff up. They placed a shelter dog who was the same size as Diamond into the exact same box, in which the heat reached 85 degrees, and waited—presumably to see if the dog would die. This lasted for at least one hour. I think we need one more resounding WHAT!???!!??? I mean, seriously, people, this is just completely insane—not to mention horrifically cruel.
While it's bad enough that this person left a dog in the heat to die in the first place, this whole aftermath reenactment just makes me physically ill. Naturally, PETA Vice President of Cruelty Investigations Daphna Nachminovitch immediately sent off a letter to Clay County blasting them for their senseless decision to subject a second dog to obviously potentially fatal conditions. (Thankfully, the second dog didn't die.)
If you are as outraged by Clay County's actions as we are, please take action!
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