Oh, By The Way.....The Fine Print.

Solo, do you even know who wrote the bill, No Child Left Behind?  No it was not GW, no it was not someone in the republican party. GW, in trying to work with the other side let someone else write it. Do a little research and find out who wrote it, you might be surprised. While this bill was being debated this little clause was debated and left in. It was not added in small print as you suggest. It is in the same font size as the rest of the bill. By the way this is a lousy bill, for many reasons mostly because the federal government should not be involved with education at the state level..
 

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their part.

This was not hidden in any fine print. It was there for all to see that took the time to read the bill.

As for allowing the military to recruit in schools that receive federal funding I have no problem with that. Beleive it or not their are many students that love their country and want to serve. The military should be able to recruit just as any private busness does. There is nothing wrong trying to get our young people to serve a greater cause then themselves. Beleive it or not it is important for young people to serve in our military in order to keep our nation safe, strong, and prepared.

TRUTHHURTS

Please go to http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer

and sign the petition for the Fair Tax Bill. Tell Congress to pass this Bill.

FTD,

No, I don't know who wrote the bill. 

I don't care who wrote the bill. 

I never mentioned anything about who wrote the bill. I never claimed that GW wrote the bill.

So far, you are the only person who mentioned anything @ the writing of the bill.

I don't know much about the bill because........ "I have to admit here that I have not paid that much attention to this subject.  What I know about it is only from the the bits & pieces in the news  praising the results of the program for education & children for the future."

I used the term, "fine print," for the same reason that it is usually used.  

I also used that term because the few times that I have heard anything about it, the military recruitment part was not mentioned, because......."I have to admit here that I have not paid that much attention to this subject.  What I know about it is only from the the bits & pieces in the news  praising the results of the program for education & children for the future."

I connected GW to the bill because he is one of the few people I've ever heard talk about it, because............. "I have to admit here that I have not paid that much attention to this subject.  What I know about it is only from the the bits & pieces in the news  praising the results of the program for education & children for the future."

In the very few times I have heard about NCLB, it was in praise of the bill & what it could do for the education of children.  Since you seem to be much more aware of this subject, perhaps you can enlighten us on when & how many times the provision for military recruitment, an obviously important portion of the bill since receiving federal funds were contingent upon it, has been mentioned while all the praise about education, the children & the future were being touted.

I have nothing against the military.  I think some military service would be good for young people.  So would various other forms of community, state or national service.  I'm not too crazy about some of the militarty recruitment programs, but over all, I think they are necessary.  I am adamantly against "opt out," features in anything, military or otherwise.

I was serious about looking for answers to this subject.  I still am.

RK

Thanks for clarifying your point solo.  I agree, i don't care who wrote the bill and anybody who knows nothing about the bill itself would connect Bush with the bill b/c he does talk of it often. 

You're referring to section 9528 of the bill itself.  Students and Parents have the option to opt out of this mandate.  The Schools recieveing funding are required to inform at least the parent that they have this option and i doubt it's a phone call from the principal.  There is a generic opt out form to bar the military, colleges and job recruiters from calling or mailing in regards to information from such.  If the parent choose's this option (through the choice of the parent), it does not affect the funding of the school.  Ignorance however, usually preceedes.

On the subject of the Bill not your blog question, the bill itself is meant well.  However, like many things from the federal government that mean well, it's not practical.  Now i could go into deep detail and give you quotes, but i hate to be that boring.  Having grown up mentally through the Bush Admin. and attending Jr. High and High School while the NCLB act was in place, i can tell you the bill has some flaws.  The bill rewards schools that do well and shuts down schools that show continued stagnation and or continued failing grades.  This is wrong, if we were truly concerned we would give higher funding to the schools that don't do well, teacher incentives for failing schools would enable the teachers to at least act like they care.  The teachers set the tone, if the teachers care, then most of the time so will the student.  Instead, the school that continues do to well, gets the teacher incentive, not to say that this wrong as there should be reward for a job well done.  These schools get the new computers and more helpful programs while the failing schools get Windows 95. 

Title 1 is meant to help with the subject of reading and or math.  However, the burden on teachers is increased as these students are required to leave a class in progress to go to intensive title 1.  This is not beneficial to the educator nor the student.  And of course there is a pile of new paperwork for this/these students.  Again meant well, but not practical.

Standardized testing, we do nothing more anymore but teach the test.  Now while the test FCAT in Florida does cover many points in education, however, it's the basiscs only.  Teachers promote the test all year long as required and are required to give practice tests throughout the year leading to the test.  This is at least in Senior High.  The test is promoted and praised and class time is cut and real curriculum is interrupted.  All this, due to money.  More funding is given to those schools that earn an "A".  Students are not the dumbest ones in the world and many can see through the fog of it's all about education and bettering one's self.  The testing is strictly about money and better funding.  That's not a bad thing, however, once again the most money or money at all is given to those schools that earn an "A".  Instead of promoting education, promoting higher levels of education, promoting actual thought, we teach a test that is the make or break for seniors in High School as they will fail the year if they fail the test, earning a 1, the lowest, highest being 5.  I got a 2, mainly b/c i didn't give a damn about the test and sang "O Christmas Tree" throughout the test, lucky me.  The class of 06 at Clay High put the "C" in Clay, we were a B, the principal took us out of 1st period on test day to wish us the best, we said screw that.

I am the son of a teacher, grandson of a former teacher, and great grandson of a former teacher and have seen first hand the failures, fundamental failures of this bill.  It leaves many behind and the bill itself put us behind the eight ball.   

You said you wanted to learn, i hope i helped some.  There are of course many other issues that pertain to the bill.

The Military recruitment portion is co-insided by colleges and job recruiters and the parents have the option to opt out w/o affecting the funding of the school.  i rec. one call from three branches of the military, all else was by the US Postal Service.

It passed 384-45 in the house and 91-8 in the Senate, Reps. and Dems. alike supported the bill and the bill was introduced in the House and the Senate by two Reps..  I say who cares, the bill passed in two "landslides".  Your seond to last paragraph is too broad for me to pay any mind to it as many officials Rep. and Dem. supported the bill, so lets analyze all of their military service.  Ted Kennedy was one of the main authors of the bill and FTD is wrong to think that no Rep. helped in writing the bill, that is ignorance, Kennedy is now one of the main people in opposition to the bill.

Foxx,

Thanks for the thumbnail info.  It's a good start.  Those were some of the basics for which I was looking.  As I said, not having any children, I had scant knowlege of any details on any of the various bills & programs.  Truth be told, I can't even recall the programs from my own grade school days.  I do remember that back in the 50's & 60's, we didn't have the problems of today, especially "teaching to the test." 

Yes, my second to the last paragraph covered a lot, but I got the feeling that somehow, from way out in left field, FTD somehow got the idea that I was against the military.  Obviously I'm not.  As stated, I don't like the idea of "opt out," programs wherever they are used.  I'd like to get my hands on the creative yutz who first thought of it.

Once again, thanks for starting me off on the path.  JATFUR.

RichK

Solo, don’t you ever get tired of tossing gas on the fire? I wonder how many times I could cut and past you writing, “ I came across this story” usually it is only part of a story, or the left leaning view of the story from your favorite web site commondreams.org. We clashed about an other story you got from them and only told half of the story on this site. I will say this about commondreams they are not as hate filled as some left sites that I read, and they do give me some good material at times for more of my research.
I never said you disliked the military, are you trying to put words in my mouth?
I did say this was a bad bill. My daughter-in-law is a teacher and we have talked about it many times. It is probably one of the few things she and I agree on as she is a card carrying liberal.
 

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their part.

FTD,

Dear Capt. Duncel,

I haven't been tossing any gas on anything.  What I have been tossing were some questions on a subject about which I knew very little.  I also tossed  the source of my subject, openly & honestly for everyone to see if they wished to contribute. I tossed only one of my sources for a very good reason.  It was the only place I came across this story.  Too bad you didn't, or couldn't, think of that. 

Also, some other things I tossed was a thanks to Foxx who, unlike you, contributed something of value to my query & I thank Foxx for that again.  Adding to my tossing list was above average reading comprehension, above average grammar, a civil attitude, a simple question requiring nothing more than a simple answer,  above average spelling skills & obviously, the awareness that some of my fellow bloggers would probably know more than I did on this subject.  Too bad you can't exhibit any of the above positive qualities.  Good bye.  Good luck.  You'll need it.  JATFUR.

Rich K

At least the CCAC loons are gone. But as Nature abhors a vacuum, so does FTD abhor civility. I see he/she is back with a vengeance. Unfortunately we don't have a new and improved FTD. Same old lies. Same old prejudice. What a poor pathetic creature  it is indeed. And, wonder upon wonder, it coincides with the revival of Key2Life. Now isn't that curious?

Solo, keep up the good fight. It's suburban blight like that which needs the gentrification of new ideas and what the heck, maybe some ideals. Curious how he's fixated on me. Poor baby. If only the lies about his Fair Tax cult would end. Maybe a brave new world could greet him/her. But that cult, like Islamic jihadists, will be around long after they have worn out their welcome. ;>)

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Lily,

Thanks for chiming in.  One of the things I definitely don't like about a situation like this is the moment or two of self doubt I get about myself.  Was I being sarcastic, too critical, too sensitive (heaven forbid) or just a plain putz.

But then I go back to read my posting & then compare the replies & viola, I have my answer.  While Foxx provided useful information I requested because of my self proclaimed lack of knowlege on the subject, the other replies offered little or no information by comparison.  Out of three separate replies, only one exhibited useful information, in a civil manner, surrounded by sound reasoning & above average reading comprehension skills. (That was a tip of the hat to Foxx)

Instead, the other replies came with accusations, incorrect conclusions drawn, lack of simple reading comprehension & all the other things I mentioned.  On the good side, it makes it an easier decision for me for adding to my "Do not respond to," list.  There are too many people on these blogs who have a healthy respect for communicating in a civil, reasonable manner.  I'm not getting any younger so I find myself in the position of having neither the time nor the inclination to deal with people like this.  So I take the most expedient path & scroll baby scroll, while ignoring the more distasteful elements of communication.  I'm not saying it's the perfect system, but it does work.

But it's another day with new promises, including some rain.  Stay dry & safe & make the best of it.  JATFUR.

Rich K

Are you one of the landowners who complains about school property taxes too?  Just talk to the school board and ask them to quit taking federal money for school and pitch in your fair share to pay for the education you want your disctrict to teach!

Sailor Bob,

When you have actually read my posting, comprehend what I was talking about & then decide to ask a simple question in a civil manner, I'll be more than happy to discuss the issue with you or any one else.  I suggest you try again.

RK

Solo,
Name calling is nice, and I guess when you are called out that is the liberal thing to do. You see Solo unlike you I give you a lot of credit. I believe you know the whole story , and you know exactly what you are doing. What you are hoping for is that some people will take what you write at face value and not do any research of their own. Now if someone like Foxx does come up with the answers than you can say, thanks for the info. I guess my question is if it was that much of a shock to you to post a blog about, why did you not take the time to do the research yourself? Which brings us back to my point you are a liberal that only wants to stir the pot. Why can you not just admit it?
 I did give you a simple answer I said it was all printed in the same font size, maybe I should have made it as simple as possible and said there was no small print, is that better?

Liliy

Did I ring the bell again?

1. Curious how he's fixated on me.
How I’m fixated on you? Where in this blog until now did I even mention you?
2. Same old lies
 OK could you please point out what those lies are .in this blog?
Lily you are very good at name calling, just like children, just like some liberals when they can’t defend their views. Some people think you are creative, I think you are closer to being a bitter person, but that is just my opinion I could be wrong, but…

Until I ring the bell again see ya Lily.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their part.

FTD,

I can't speak for any other person.  But I am more than happy to be proven wrong because I consider it a learning experience.  At first, I thought that maybe it's just me.  But upon reading some of your past replies & comments that others have made of you & your thinking processes, I have been convinced that it is not worth my time to reply to you.

I honestly don't know exactly what your problem is beyond basic communication skills. It could be basic reading comprehension, lack of spelling skills, cognitive awareness or who knows what.  I'm not a professional so obviously, any guess of mine is just that.  A guess.  Bottom line?  I'm just not going to waste any more time or effort which, in my opinion, judging by the low numbers of people who respond to your opinions, is pretty much the course to take. Once again, good luck.  You need that & much more.

RK

Solo

But I am more than happy to be proven wrong because I consider it a learning experience

BS The last time I called you out on subject that you got out of commondreams.org you tried to spin it and said that I had used a different article. I had used a different article, but I also used the exact same one you used and they both gave the same information.
I was kind in my last post, I will be blunt this time. You try to post liberal views and hope no one will take the time to do any research. I on the other hand, if you really read my post have told people to do research, but be sure to look at all sides before they make up their minds.
You also have a good habit of when someone really disagrees with you they seem to be totally uneducated. Nice liberal tactic  If you can‘t support your facts attack the person.. As I’ve told someone else on this site name calling does not affect me, it’s what children do.
By the way is this the fifth, or sixth time you have said that you will never respond to me again, I lost count? Just to let you know I will post to your blogs from time to time, and you can say you will never read my post, but I know and others know you will. Your blood pressure will go up, you will choke on your drink, and you will want to reply. Do your research and maybe I won’t have any reason to post. To your health.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their part.

I love how people like to talk about how we 'spin' things.

Their definition of spin - when we state the obvious and it does not agree with what they want it to mean.

My definition of spin - pee on my boot and tell me it's rain. Then spend another hour or three more posts explaining what rain is, why it fell in this particular area, how much fell, the affect it had on the SJR and when I can expect more rain.

Kind of like why we are spending $5M for 28 acres of land with a 5 acre swamp in the middle of it for a 'future transportation site' that might or might not ever get built and used.

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Finder
I’m surprised it took you so long to respond, but I did expect it. Did you think Solo was not capable of defending himself? That’s right I forgot the three of you work as a pack. If two heads or better than one than three heads are as good as ... help me out here Finder who were the three funny guys on TV that always got in trouble. I just can’t think of their names
At least you held back from the name calling this time. I guess when you are running for office that doesn’t look good.
At any rate, to your health too Finder.
 

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their part.

Inasmuch as responding to FTD would be an exercise in futility, I would like to point out to the casual observer the problems of FTD's "logic". He has made an innuendo that One Guy and I may be the same person supporting his/her observation that we both dislike the Fair Tax scam.  Considering there are thousands of members on the MCS blogs and the fact that to date only two members have been vociferous in their support of this bad idea, FTD and Truth Hurts, could we not come to the conclusion that these two are also one and the same? To date, there have only been three out of thousands that have registered their support of this scam on the MCS blog. To date, only two have been ardently against it while many others either don't like it, don't trust it or just plain disbelieve the claims. Again, nowhere has this scheme been tried under laboratory conditions. Why not find a small country willing to try it, or even 20% of the United States? Give it 5 years and then study the data. But they don't want to do that. With them it's "my way or no way". Not a very charming attitude.

The slavish mentality accompanying this scheme does appear to reach cult like status to me. You can make up your own mind. After detailing all the things I deem wrong about the scheme, not once did either of these two respond with any information supporting their claims to the contrary. There disingeuousness is matched by their lack of an ability to be articulate. All they say is "You're biased" and "read the book". Duh! I read the book and I raised fair questions. Not once were the questions addressed. But this is typical of these two, assuming they are two.  They definitley take to heart Ronald Reagan's statement "Facts are stupid things". It explains a lot.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

FTD;

Thank you for the post. I haven't been the subject of your sharp tongue and rapier wit in quite some time. I was beginning to feel unloved.

Actually I wasn't defending Solo, he does a great job of it all by himself. It just so happened that I got accused of 'spin' in another blog about the same time and decided to respond on this one. But I am glad to see that I didn't let you down. 

As for name calling, I pretty much try to keep that to a minimum and it has nothing to do with running for office.

I believe you may have been thinking of Athos, Porthos and Aramis.

BTW, just how much rain did you say we had or was that virga?

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Mike, Lily,

I didn't know we were part of a pack, did you?  Why didn't you tell me?  Did I miss the memo?  Hey, can we call ourselves the Rat Pack?  Sounds cool & the original guys aren't around to complain.  Maybe we could have a secret hand shake or decoder ring or something.  Maybe our banner could be a picture of a book.  Hey, we could request a specialty license plate with the motto, "I think, therefore I am."  (I would refrain from using the Latin because not that many people know Latin.  Actually, I have to wonder how many people know what the English translation means."

Just got back from visiting friends in Daytona & noticed that there were a couple of postings on this blog.  I find the reactions to a news article, some observations & a few questions quite strange.  One reply that provided real answers & information in a civil manner. Reactions by you & Lily to the only other person who replied in a fashion that puts the proof in the saying that nobody's perfect.

Well even in this distasteful situation I learned something, so that's a good thing.  I guess it's the silver lining thing.  As long as I'm at it, lest I forget, thanks to you two & Foxx for showing that there are, indeed, people with some above average reading comprehension, critical thinking processes, an above average mastery of the English language & plain, honest civility.  All too often we hear nothing but complaints, so I thought a kudo or two & some thanks were in order.  Hope every one has a great weekend.  JATFUR.

Rich K

FINDER

I do read most of your post on these blogs, I won’t say all as I don’t spend every day ready the MCS. I don’t remember "attacking" you (my words) directly anytime. I may have included you if Solo, and Lily had responded to something I had written and you had also chimed in. I guess you can say you got hit with shrapnel .
That is not to say I don’t want to “ask you some things, but I will wait till after the election. I really don’t like talking politics on a blog, I would rather do it face to face. The main reason I really hate to type.
Maybe you can answer one question for me, it is not about politics. When I started reading the MCS and joined I noticed just about everyone praised  ANGELA, because she could research just about any public record. Now it seems half those people think her name is mud. From what I can see she can still find those records, but her views I guess don’t agree with most. Why would they turn on her just because she has her own opinions?
At any rate Finder have a good and healthy weekend

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their part.

Can I add that to the long list of other names I've been called on the blogs?   To all the people who have wrongfully been named on the blogs. I'm sorry I've told them over and over again, it's Angela.

ANGELA

I hope you don’t think I was name calling you  “MUD”. It just seems since our county elections , and animal stories have started in full force you went from “research queen” to “cut and paste …” I have my own views on both subjects but voting and e-mailing is as far as I will take it at this time.
Fight what battles you think are just and I will fight mine.
To your health
 

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their part.

Angela,

I see that you have contributed to this blog & as always, I feel that an extra dimension has been added by you.  If you have read all of the replies, you will notice that Lily, Finder & I have been described as a "pack."  The first good idea I've yet to hear from that blogger.  Subsequently, I proposed that we name ourselves the "Rat Pack."  (A bit of a tip o' the hat to the avatar of Lily & the original Rat Pack)

I have not consulted with the others, but I would propose you as our newest member, should we decide to become an official entity.  You'll have to be patient.  We haven't yet met as an official pack & there are so many things to decide.  Official uniforms, ball caps, letterheads, meeting place (Sorry, I don't have a tree house) secret handhakes & such.  Personally, it sounds like a good idea to me.  We'll have to wait for the word from Finder & Lily, but personally, if you say yes, I think you'll be a shoe in.  JATFUR.

Rich K

Rick K I would find it to be an honor to be apart of the newly formed “Rat Pack” with an elite group of bloggers such as you guys. Thanks for the invite and you can count me in.

You should start a breakfast club.  Call yourselves whatever, but if you don't know the secret handshake, then you can't get in.  There at breakfast you can discuss all of the major issues like..................?  Or maybe a word phrase for the purpose of an e-mail breakfast, if you don't know the word phrase, you'll be ignored, left to watch nude womens football.........count me out of the club.