Palin's Personal Pipeline

I don't want someone as president who thinks the Oval Office is the strategy room for fulfilling the tasks of God.

The prez has a lot of regular business-type things to do, like keeping our bridges and levees from collapsing, rebuilding inner cities and interstate highways, protecting the civil rights of all citizens, etc.  Depending on someone to do all that and fulfill God's will in geopolitics is expecting an awful from guys who can't keep their pants zipped around interns or pronounce the word "nuclear."

Plus, it's not healthy for the president to have the confidence that comes with the feeling that they're fulfilling God's will.  Instead, I want a president riddled with constant self-doubt whenever a member of the American armed forces is put in harm's way.

One with such doubt is more likely to fix mistakes. Someone who feels their decisions, as Commander in Chief or any of the other roles of POTUS, have in any way been inspired or approved by or made on behalf of God isn't likely to recognize, much less admit and correct, a mistake.

Michael S. Mann

michaelsmann@comcast.net

Mike,

With Palin being a relative unknow, The media is getting out their own microscopes to check her out.  Stand by, I'm sure we'll hear more.

On another note, this past week, none other than Dr. Rev. Mr. James Dobson, his royal, religious, worshipfullnes, upon hearing the religious qualifications of Gov. Palin, quickly, openly, with as many listeners as he & his staff could muster, reversed his decision not to vote for McCain.  Rev. flip flop decided that even though McCain isn't religious enough for him & the other evangelicals, when & if he casts off his mortal coil, VP, Rev. & by then, ex Gov. Palin will be right to carry out their true calling.  Like I said, we need someone to save us from ourselves.  Or, as Riley would say, "What a revoltin' development."  JATFUR.

Rich K

Hey all,

one of my friends sent me this link...check it out

http://www.jeffhead.com/palin/

Joe,

While I don't doubt that some of the items are accurate, I get the feeling that you have not been getting ALL the information.  And make no mistake about it, there is more.  Not only what has been said, but what hasn't been said.  Suffice it to say,  because of her lack of national exposure, I'm sure we'll be hearing more.

Rich K

 SOLO, I am sure that we will hear all kinds of stuff....that is why I will be making my decision on who to vote for when I get into the car to go to the polls...let the "mud slinging begin"......

Joe,

Yes, we will get to hear more.  More is not an unattainable goal considering how much we know about Palin. 

I'm already starting to get the giggles over some of the remarks about her speach.  Spent more time saying what Obama hasn't done but not what she has done.  OK, exactly what DID she do while in charge of the Alaska National Guard that qualifies for making executive decisions.  One of the best I heard was from an e mailer to a call in talk show.  The lady said that she was a devout Christian but was very offended by the the remarks of Palin to Obama comparing the fact that she was a governor & was only a community activist/organizer.  The lady went on to say that Gov. Palin, as religious as she claims to be, seemed to have forgot that Jesus Christ was a community activist/organizer & Pontius Pilate was a governor.  If people actually think about that, they will see just how much of a major burn that was.

It will be interesting to see what else is coming down the pike. I'm getting my most comfortable seat, & maybe even my favorite adult beverage.  Maybe some snacks.  Bon apetit.  JATFUR.

Rich K

This link is a long but interesting read.  Please be sure to go to the end for source verification.  Snopes.com is pretty reliable.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp

www.CTLAC.com

One nation under God.

God Bless America.

In God We Trust.

God Bless the troops, and their mission.

God Bless us all, one and all.

I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

God Bless America....land that we love,.... stand beside her,.... and guide her..........

God is good, God is great, let us thank him for our food, Amen.

Faith in a devine power rules our world. Aprroximately 90% of the world beleives in and prays to a devine power. Faith in a devine being has molded our laws, morals and values since the birth of mankind. Without faith you have kaos. Faith in God gives us as fragile beings hope in our darkest times.

Also since the birth of mankind there have been nay sayers. They will say show me your God, prove to me your god exists. Give me your proof and your evidence. They will say you expect me to beleive in your God, and beleive in your love of this god on your word ? You wish for me to beleive all of this simply of faith ?

To these people I say, Do you love your Moms and Dads ? Do you beleive in them and all that they have taught you ? Do you have faith in them and their wisdom ? Prove it ! Show me ! Or should I just take your word for it based on stories you tell me of them and of your expereinces with them growing up ?

I can think of alot worst things in this world then someone that beleives in God. That beleives in devine intervention. That has faith in God.

Christmas.....Do you and family celebrate this ?

Easter.......Do you and family celebrrate this ?

Thanksgiving......Do you and family celebrate this ?

To all the other religions.....do you not celebrate your faiths devine holidays and beliefs ? 

I am a firm beleiver in free will and thought. It is not my objective here to change anyones mind, nor will I make any attempt to do so. We beleive what we beleive.

There is a big difference between a religious fanatic that perverts religion and those that are true at heart. Just ask any modern Islamist that loves and beleives in their faith and the Koran.

Faith is what holds us together, and gives us hope in our darkest days.

Of course this little rant is my own opinion. I thank God for America and those that have given their lives throughout our countries history in providing me with this freedom of expression. Those brave souls and their beleif in God and country gave me these rights, their blood is my blood. 

God Bless McCain/Palin, The next President and VP of the United States of America.

My prayers are with them. My vote will be for them. 

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TH,

I won't speak for you or anyone else, but I like having choices.  In this case, you seem to have several choices in your thinking.  Clear thinking, rationale thinking, expression via rote learning, misconception, disengenuousness, simplistic or something else.

By example.  In your first few examples, the reasoning goes like this:  People have a concept with not one shred of evidence, we make it official, we make it into law, ergo, it exists & we will now use this as proof of validity, much the same as with the perception of an earth centered universe, the aether or any other number of things they couldn't understand until the facts were proven.

You are probably correct in your % of believers.  But you, like so many others, equate sheer force of numbers as proof of your claim. 

"Faith in a devine being has molded our laws, morals and values since the birth of mankind. Without faith you have kaos. Faith in God gives us as fragile beings hope in our darkest times."  Sorry to burst your baloon but this is not an accurate statement.  Sheer, basic social necessity has molded our laws.  One does not need faith or belief in the supernatural to be moral or have good societal values.  People have done that before religion & are doing it to this very day.  They live their everyday lives without commiting crimes, by being good to friends, relatives & neighbors & obeying the laws.  There are also those who do not but who profess their faith at any chance they get.

I also agree with you that there are indeed, a lot of things worse than someone who believes in a supreme being.  For instance, one who loudly & publicly proclaims it but does not practise what they preach.  And of course, the worse, in my opinion, those who would judge others as worse because they don't believe the same way.  Those who would impose their beliefs on others, especially in any official/legal manner.  Unfortunately, this country has had an over abundance of these examples, as has human society in general through out its history.

Yes, my wife & I do celebrate the dates you mention.  We just have no need to do it in a religious manner or for religious reasons.

The lives of many people, including mine, are held together in the darkest hours without the need for religious faith.  So I would definitely question your statement if you are using it as an absolute.

I too, am an advocate of free will & free thought.  I also advocate intellectual honesty & integrity in thought & rational thinking.  Perhaps I'm an over achiever & just don't know it.

And here is perhaps the biggest misconception, the biggest difference between agnostics like me who advocate secular government and people of faith, especially Christian evangelicals & fundamentalists. People like you would still be free to think the way you wish, worship the way you do, have faith the way you have faith. You would be absolutely free to express yourself just as you do here & offer any kinds of prayers to any kind of god or gods you wish.   You would also be free to call what you did a rant or just another secular advantage of free expression.  But we wouldn't attempt  to impose your beliefs on any one else.  We would not attempt to impose the beliefs of any one else on you.  We would respect the beliefs or lack of beliefs of others & not have religious belief a part official government.  Not to be mean or intollerant.  Just to recognise that it is not necessary to doing a secular job for all of the people.  That's just the kind of people, people like me are.  I Know.  It's a difficult concept to grasp.  But sit down & think about it.  Give it time. You may even see the light.  JATFUR.

Rich K

Sunflower,

Thanks for the link for information.  Gee, I wonder why we didn't hear much of this during the convention?  Curious.  But in all of this, I found one thing for which I am thankful.  Did some of her "qualities," sound familiar?  What I am thankful for is that she was not in the Bush administration.  Talk @ 2 peas in a pod.  Unfortunately, it seems that since McCain has agreed with Bush 90% of the time, things may get worse instead of better if this team gets elected.

For another viewpoint, check out Ellen Goodman's opinion column in today's Times Union.  Verrrry interesting.  On at least one point, abortion, she has the attitude of "do as I say, not as I do."  Very typical.  JATFUR.

Rich K

I have been remiss in my responsibility in being fair & balanced.  I know how many of you cherish that concept.  So to be FAB, I would also direct interested parties to the web site commondreams.org & scroll to the article titled "the Things They Left Behind ( or didn't remind you about) by Dave Lindorff.  Once again, my apologies for not being FAB in the first place.  I promise to do better in the future.  JATFUR.

Rich K 

Supporters of Palin insist on touting her 'executive' experience stating that she has more experience than Obama.  Well, it is my understanding that it's McCain vs. Obama for President, not Palin vs. Obama.  So where is McCain's 'executive' experience, and in your minds is he already six feet under? 

Using your logic, every small town mayor and 49 other governors are more qualified to run the country than 3 of the candidates, including your McCain. 

Hey, Mike Kelter - just one more step up and you too could someday be a candidate for the highest office in the land.  What a great country!!

I continue to be amazed when I come to read these blogs.  As educated as most of you come across, how stupid can you be.....Sara has more class and expierence leading then the whole democratic ticket combined.  God has a plan for us and Sara will put his plan into play.  Stop being politically correct and be morally correct.  Lets now forget what made this country great, to being with, and lets get back to it....Bless our country dear lord and let McCain/Palin win this election!

JATFUS!

Smuncey,

My man.  Once again, I owe you thanks.  After working out in the heat & getting a nasty little headache, you come along like a cool soothing breeze & allow me a good laugh.  Once again, YOU DA MAN! JATFUR.

Rich K

Stop being politically correct and be morally correct.

Vote yes on 2 so that we can legally discriminate against a large sector of the American public and collateral damage be damned.

We have a moral obligation to put some people in a position of being less than second class citizens and give others someone to feel superior to.

Just be careful that you don't get on their bad side and become one of the undesirables. You may find yourself on the receiving end of that treatment.

I certainly hope that Sara took notes when God was explaining his plan. Moses brought God's words down from the mount on 2 stone tablets. Maybe she received her copy on her Blackberry.

If so, maybe she'll email us all a copy. 

Mike Heemer

I have to wonder who it was, that first decided to define morality by their own standards & then raise it as a banner above all others?

I wonder who it was, that first decided to raise that banner of morality, gather like minded people under it to condemn those who thought differently than they did?

I have to wonder who it was, that first decided that their version of morality gave them license to persecute those that did not measure up to their version of morality?

I have to wonder who it was, that first decided that their version of morality provided moral justification to discriminate against those who were different from themselves?

I have to wonder who it was, that first had the idea that just because they had a large enough group of people, they could find a way to making their wishes into laws that puposely hurt others?

I have to wonder who it was, & how they reacted, when some one told them that they might be wrong?

I have to wonder who it was, that came up with those ridiculous ideas?

Even an infrequent reader of the Christian Bible like me can clearly see it wasn’t the historical figure know as Jesus.  Maybe it depends on whose Bible one reads.  Maybe it depends on whom one asks.  Maybe we’ll never know, at least in this lifetime.  That doesn’t really bother me.

Among my many faults, discriminating against others is not one.  Imposing my moral standards on others is not one.  Imposing another religion on those who wish to believe in another is not one. Treating others the way I would have them treat me is not one.  Does that make me a Christian?  Apparently it does not, judging by the actions of so many others who loudly & often proclaim themselves to be Christians.  I consider that a good thing because I hate hypocrisy. 

I do my best to obey the laws of the land.  I pay my taxes & even help support religion even though I think that is wrong to have that forced upon me.  I get along with my family, my friends & the people around me. I think that makes me a good citizen. That should be good enough.  But according to the wishes of others, it is not. 

Maybe they should get a new banner.  It seems the one they have is about 2,000 years out of date.  It's torn, tattered & has a taint about it.  Besides, it does not have enough room for everyone.  Someone should tell them.  JATFUR.

Rich K

Wake up and smell the majority. The US majority of voters--key words---both parties---call themselves Christians of one type or another from Catholics to Baptists et all.

Many believe they're God's will is more important than they're government's will.

The Middle East has the same situation with one majority or another believing in they're version and perception of God and a book of truth.

The question is how far do we want our country's leaders and president to push those Americans born here to become and/or abide by all Christian beliefs. Even though there are many versions of even this belief.

If a Jewish carpenter ran for president or vice president he would not get elected in America today. Especially if he said he was the son of Jehovah God or Abraham's God.

The chances of him getting beat up, abused and locked up are pretty good too.

What if we made republicans sit on one side of the pews at church and democrats sit on the other? Would someone say we should not mix church and politics? Please don't comment on if either of these groups would go to church. Both of these groups have devoted members of some American religious choice, or opting out, a choice provided by the dead lawyers and dead senators and dead Americans who didn't want ANYONE EVER TELLING ANYONE WHAT TO BELIEVE. Just because not stealing and killing are political laws and religious laws doesn't prove one came first, they are simply good and right.

I want my political candidates to do what's good and right for the military who are being asked to set aside all religious and ethical beliefs like, thou shall not kill and do get paid a little money to kill because our government said it must be so, I need a candidate who will do whats good and right, not what makes them feel or look better after someone insanely religious or just insane attacks us, stating GOD TOLD THEM TOO> So in retaliation for that man's God's will, we declared war on there entire country, men, women, and yes children lives are ended now as a direct result of our leaders perceptions of right and wrong, good and bad, God and God.