Let's take our city back from the Thugs and put them in Prison! Vote for Angela Corey! 08/26

Go Angela Corey! You have my vote.

So you support Corey and Taylor?

Judging solely by the things they have said at forums, they are two of the goofiest and most egotistical people on the Clay ballot.  That pair would be the last candidates I would vote for under almost any circumstance, and thanks to early voting, I didn't vote for either. 

You say that God don't like ugly...these two aren't exactly pretty either. 

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Again,

As the mother of a murdered  23 year old child I don't have the Luxury to abstain from this vote.  It is much too important.  When the animal who murdered my daughter is caught, I don’t want “no charged” filed against him like Harry and Jay are so fond of doing.

 Judith Chapple

     In persuasive discussion the broken record tactic is a good way to reinforce to your original point without getting distracted by answering objections.  You just keep saying the same thing over and over.

     In my previous post, I did not say I abstained from voting, I said that I did not vote for Corey or Taylor.  I did vote, and by process of elimination this means that I voted for Corey's opponent and one of Taylor's opponents. 

     I am reluctant to engage in a drag-out argument with you, and I would not have responded at all except that I question your political credibility. 

     I have done a great deal of blogging and have said many things that I have later regretted, but I have stopped short of accusing people of crimes.

     In this blog you said that Plotkin and Shorestein are in the pockets of defense lawyers.  I take this as an accusation that they are receiving monetary payments from lawyers to sway their prosecution decisions.  That is a crime.  In an earlier blog you said that Sheriff Beseler planned the release of the Folio article.  This implies that he improperly released confidential juvenile information.  That is also a crime.

     It is my experience that in many cases people who are loose about throwing accusations of crimes are loose about truth in general, and I have found that they often make political selections far different than my own.  This experience, coupled with the fact you support people I have voted against, is the reason why I have made this reply.

     I disagree with you about Corey, and I would need to see some qualified evidence to believe that Plotkin is corrupt.  As for the Shorestein ads, they are only negative if they are false.      

Dear Felix,

I thought of several different ways to respond to your blog.  Many of them would have only frustrated me, you and the other readers.  You have your choice of candidates and I have mine.  I happen to know for a fact that Jay Plotkin and his Boss Harry Shorstein are corrupt and without character.  Either you are not privy or you just refuse to open your eyes.  But just in case you’d like to take a peek at Jay’s latest mailing to see what a hypocrite he really is.  Please take a look at the latest mailing that your boy Jay sent out.  (I tried to send it but cound not attach it the file was to large)  It is a picture with Jay and 4 African- Americans.  One being Corrine Brown (Democrat), Betty Burney (Democrat), and a minsiter, again all black.  I find this mailing offensive, prtronizing and self-serving.  I can only hope that all American Blacks feel the same and not fall for this act.  If anyone would like to see a copy of the mailing please feeling free to email me at chapplejudith@aol.com 

Also, attempt to consider this?  Isn’t it extremely hypocritical for someone of the Jewish Faith to be sitting in church every Sunday for the purpose of meeting potential voters?  I just find that odd?

To your point, yes Angela Corey is a very confident woman.  She is passionate about, victims, the law, and the legal system.  I am sorry that you view her confidence as arrogance. I am sorry that you view Michael Taylor’s confidence as arrogance.  Knowing both of them personally I know that it is not arrogance, but passionate, polished, confidant professionalism.

Judith Chapple

Let me state this up front. I did vote for Angela. The way I see it, anyone that can get fired by Shorstein has to have something on the ball. She isn't all of that and a bag of fries but is at least a few steps ahead in the lesser of two evils competition and is therefore, in my opinion, a better choice than Plotkin.

Also, attempt to consider this?  Isn’t it extremely hypocritical for someone of the Jewish Faith to be sitting in church every Sunday for the purpose of meeting potential voters?  I just find that odd?

Let me say this about that. If you listen to almost any candidate out there, or read their Bios it isn't going to take them long to let you know they are an 'active' member of (pick a Church).

The thing they don't mention is what it takes to be 'active'. My guess is that quite a few think that it means however many times they show up in a year. And I'd venture a guess that they have been more 'active' since they started their campaign.

One thing you have to remember about those of the Jewish faith. They've been worshiping God a lot longer than those of the Christian faith. The 10 Commandments that we keep fighting over and have built much of our society on have been around a lot longer than 2000 years.

All I'm saying is that unless you can look into his heart you can't say with certainty that he is there 'just to meet voters'.

I find this mailing offensive, prtronizing and self-serving.  I can only hope that all American Blacks feel the same and not fall for this act. 

This one is tough. How does he win or just break even in this one? Sometimes it seems like people want to put others in a no win situation. He can't have his picture taken with a group of American Blacks, yet if he doesn't he may get accused of being a racist and ignoring the Black community.

Some might say Angela has the same issue with a Black woman being such vocal advocate. Is she pandering by accepting your support? Could other Blacks find this offensive, prtronizing and self-serving?

I'm not arguing your choice of candidates, just your manner of spreading your message. Honestly it shouldn't make any difference if Plotkin is Jewish, Christian or a Wiccan. It shouldn't matter if a candidate goes to Church twice on Sunday plus Wednesday night Prayer meeting, just shows up at Christmas and Easter or doesn't go at all.

It should be based on the performance and abilities of the candidate. Not race, color, creed or any other criteria you want to through in there.

I know, very naive of me to think that this will happen any time soon. Too many labels available to put on people. Liberal, conservative, Jew, Christian, Mormon, Muslim, gay, racist or any one of too many others to name.

Mike Heemer

     You asked me if I thought it was hypocritical for a Jew, in this instance Plotkin, to be sitting in church every Sunday to pick up votes.  I will answer that question to the best of my ability, and explain a little more why I didn't vote for Corey.

     When you say such actions are hypocritical, I take it as meaning that a Jew should not do such things because it is against Jewish law.  Let me make clear that I am going on what you have said, because I do not personally know what Plotkin does on his Sundays, what he does in church, if he is there every Sunday, or whether he has indeed gone into any churches at all.  I am simply adressing this as a theorietical question as to whether it is against Jewish law for a Jew to enter a church for the purpose of getting votes.

     I've been told I'm not Jewish, so I'm not the best person to answer such a question, but I do know a few things because I did use to read before I got the internet.  To get a ballpark answer for any question of Jewish law you have to go to the Talmud, the Talmud being the source-book of Jewish law.  Now, do not fall prey to the old stereotype that because Jews speak of the Talmud that they do not read the Bible; no matter what your Sunday school teacher told you this is not true.  The Bible is the source of faith, the Talmud is the source of law.  To put it in Baptist terms, the Talmud is the Jewish version of the "Baptist Faith and Witness."  To put it in Catholic terms, the Talmud is the Summa Theologia.  However, the Talmud is very old and at this point is mostly a historic source book.  This is not to say it is invalid; as the "Faith and Witness" has been twice revised and the "Summa Theologia" has been superceded by Vatican I and II, the Talmud has been superceded by later documents and rulings of Rabbinic councils.

     While the Talmud is not current, it is readable because it does contain a number of stories and is a historic document.  Can a Jew enter a church?  The particular book of the Talmud which would answer this question would be avodah zerah, meaning strange worship, and gives historic Jewish definitions as to what constitutes heresy and idolatry, and how Jews should conduct themselves in interactions with non-jews.  Avodah zerah is good reading that I would recomend to any student of religious history or to history in general, and describes how the Jews of that day were able to maintain their faith and way of life under the idolatrous and tyrannical rule of the Romans, and describes the death of many Jewish martyrs.  Now, because I speak of the Romans persecuting the Jews do not think that I am overlooking persecutions of Christians; they suffered horribly under Roman rule, as is described in "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire," and Tertullian's "On Martydom."  

     As an aside, Tertullian was a great, great writer of early Christianity.  I can read very little of his Latin, but even in translation his strength and earnestness shine through.  Of note, in his "On the clothing of women," he wrote something along the lines of "mauliarum janua diabolis est," meaning "woman is the doorway of the devil."  While I don't believe this, I do find it humorous.

     To return to avodah zerah, the Jew of that day had to maintain his docorum while surrounded by various object of idolotrous worship, this leading to many rules of conduct which were recorded in avodah zerah.  For instance, if a Jew dropped an object while standing in front of an idol they were required to either leave it where it was or kicked away from the idol, so that they would not give the appearance that they were bowing down in front of the idol.  The Jew of that day was prohibited from speaking the names of idols, from selling anyone an animal that might be used as a sacrifice to an idol, and if I recall correctly, was prohibited from entering an idolatrous house of worship.

     However, Christianity is not considered by Jews to be idolatry because, like Islam, it is an Abrahamic faith.  I am not aware of ever having seen a Jew in a church, but I have seen Christians in synagogues, where they are welcomed as long as do not come to gain converts.

    In my understanding of Jewish law, Plotkin, or any other Jew could enter a church.  However, in a strict sense it would be improper for him to do so for the purpose of worship, or even to give the appearance that he is worshipping.  However, in these days some consider that interfaith relations and multifaith worship overrule the old laws of separation. 

     It is my personal opinion that any Jew could enter a church for the purpose of community, which would include politics, but for no other reason than that. 

     Now, why did I vote against Corey?  I am embarrassed to admit that it was not a researched vote, simply, I did not like the way she talked.  During the Ridgeview forum she went into what I consider to be a rant, something along the lines of she "loved jesus and all children."  It struck me as odd and I have never liked preaching from politicians.  It also struck a raw nerve in me because Huckabee also used the "vote for me, I'm a Christian," line, and I feel he used his "Christian Leader" identity to steal the Iowa Caucuses from Romney.  It's only a rumor, but what I have heard is that leaders of the Iowa Republican Party launched a whispering campaign against Romeny because he was a Mormon, urging people "don't vote for the Mormon, vote for the Christian Leader." 

    Corey's rant was so out of place that it made me think she was trying to preach her way into office.  At the time, I did not know that Plotkin was Jewish, and it would not have mattered to me because my vote for Plotkin was really a vote against Corey.  Now I am starting to hear little whispers here and there, and what I'm hearing is "don't vote for the Jew." 

     I based my vote on nothing more than my personal feeling, but it was just my one vote.  I did not go out and try to get other people to vote for Plotkin as you are trying to get people to vote for Corey.  In your original posting you made it sound like you were supporting Corey because she would fight crime, in this last posting it seems that you just don't want people to vote for the Jew.

     I admit that I did not previously know you by name, but on seeing your picture realized I had seen you at a number of Republican events.  I did google your name, so I did learn a little about you.  All I can say is that you are an acomplished woman and a leader in the Republican party, I feel comments that border on antisemitism are beneath you.

Felix,

Let me be Clear

 I could give a rat’s ass about Plotkin’s Faith or if he even has one.  My point is about Hypocrisy alone.  It is about one being true to who you are.  Since he is Jewish, I think it is insulting for him to be sitting in church to garner votes.  The Christian Christ is bases on the Life, Death and resurrection of Christ the Lord.  The Jews do not believe that, my issue is why pretend that you are not Jewish by sitting in church for 3-4 hours every Sunday just so that you are introduces to that parishioners.  That is very hypocritical. 

 Jdith Chapple

Oh you are clear alright! It is clear that you are anti-Semetic. If I were Angela I'd think twice about asking you to speak anywhere for me.

I thought that everyone was welcome to come to Church. I guess that is everyone except a Jew that is running for office.

I'll bet the attendance of almost every politician in the NE Florida area has increased by at least 300% in the past couple of months. And right after the elections it will go back to what it was for the past three years.

How many years ago was it that you would not have been welcome at First Baptist in Jax? It's the same attitude you are exhibiting towards Jay.

Mike Heemer

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

     Well, your candidate won.  I hope that you are right about her and she is as good as you claim. 

Travis C

Felix,

Not many things come with guarantees any more.  But I assure you that Angela Corey being the right person for the job of State Attorney of the 4th Judicial Circuit is a guarantee. She is an amazing woman with the integrity, passion and fresh perspective that office needs.

Judith Chapple