COMING CLEAN
Mike, I do not know for sure but I would like to think that at one time you were an honorable man. I do not know what has led you down the path you are now on but it is a path or moral destruction. Just as I object to introducing family matters into politics, I also object to bringing someone’s faith into it. However, in this case it is a positive comment and not meant to impugn your sect. I am intimately familiar with the moral code of your faith and know as well as you that some of the things that have gone on within your camp putrefies the very fabric of what you say that you stand for. I realize that the Jeff, Gary and Nelson KOOL-AID cocktail probably intoxicated you but it is time to sober up Mike, before you reach the point of no return. Actually, I stand corrected, I believe you have already reached that point and have become a UNION kamikaze. I know they painted you a breathtaking portrait that would tempt anyone and I know they told you that with their endorsements your victory was assured. I am certain that losing was never mentioned. No one told you what it is going to be like when you lose. This is what it is going to be like Mike, it will be just like a real life funeral. Some of them will attend your wake but then they will quickly walk away, looking for their next puppet and then you will be in utter darkness. You are just a piece of meat to them Mike and when you lose your flavor, they will throw you to the jackals. (none too soon though because the boy must be starving by now can somebody please check on Eddie) The ones that work at the SO will be like rats deserting a sinking ship, interested only in saving themselves. They will be clambering over one another and biting one another, just to save their own skins. The ones that have already deserted have very sharp teeth. Some of them are very angry at being betrayed and eager to redeem themselves. This is a little side note to you cowardly sniper rats that will soon be deserting that sinking ship in hopes that you have gone unnoticed. You should have stayed in your league. Your weapons and tactics were ill chosen, your aim is pathetic and your ghillie suites were ill constructed. Where does that leave you Mike? It leaves you and your reputation in ruins.Who will mourn with you Mike? It will not be those that have used you because they will be to busy looking for their next dupe. At least a kamikaze goes down in flames of glory but that will not be the case with Mike Taylor. Even before his flame is extinguished, the UNION bosses will be looking for their next pilot willing to sacrifice everything he has, including his very soul, for the hope of glory, fame and power. It is already too late to save your political life but it is not too late to salvage your self-respect. Come clean with the voters in this county Mike and I am sure they will forgive you. Confession is good for the soul Mike and mandated by your beliefs. Unless I hear you say one more time that your son was EXONERATED I will leave that issue alone, as far as directly attacking him at least. However, it is time to confess your misdeeds concerning the first anti-Beseler flyer and your relationship with the Jacksonville Public Safety Officers. During the live blog, here on My Clay Sun you said that you do not have any relationship with the Jacksonville Public Safety Officers. Here is your direct quote; “I am not directly involved with the Jacksonville Public Safety Officers.” I have already exposed that lie Mike. You do have a direct involvement with the Jacksonville Public Safety Officers because they are one in the same as the Fraternal Order of Police lodge 5-30, the lodge that got you involved in this mess. What a glorious night that was for you Mike, when Nelson Cuba introduced you as the next Sheriff of Clay County and you basked in the applause. I actually wept for you that night Mike, because I knew that all you were to them was a sacrificial lamb. Here is another quote from you regarding the anti-Beseler flyer, the one filled with outright lies, half-truths and misleading information, “I had no involvement in the flyer’s production or the flyer’s content.” To say that you were not involved with it is another lie. If not, and you truly had nothing to do with it, that just proves that you cannot effectively manage even a campaign. If you cannot manage your own campaign how in the world do you expect the voters of Clay County to believe you will be able to manage such a complex organization as the Sheriff’s Office. Is that the case Mike; is it true that you cannot manage your own campaign? Are we to believe that this scathing flyer filled with lies, half-truths, and misinformation and endorsing your campaign, was mailed out without your knowledge? If that were true, what horrors would await the citizens of Clay County by your incorrigible minions if you were to slither into office? If you cannot control them now how are you going to control them later? If you do not want to take responsibility for the flyer then you must be ashamed of it, correct. If you are ashamed of it then why do you not publicly denounce it? Which is it Mike, do you embrace it or do you denounce it? You cannot have it both ways Mike; either you are responsible for it and if so should proudly accept that responsibility or you did not have anything to do with it and are ashamed of it and therefore, you should denounce it. Mike, you as well as anyone knows that in the end your name (your integrity) is all you have. Your integrity is the one and only thing that no one can take from you. You and those around you, Mike, have soiled your name, and for what Mike, for a slave master called the UNION. Think about it Mike, you would not even be able to run your own administration. You would be nothing more than a figurehead. Mike, there are losers and then there are graceful losers. You should decide which category you are going to fit in. I know that you are in a state of desperation and you thirst for direction. However, do not drink any more UNION KOOL-AID to quench that thirst, their KOOL-AID is what got you into the state you are in to begin with. The only thing that will quench the thirst you have now is the truth. Related: SunTzu's blog | login or register to post comments | printer friendly version | Tags: Clay County Sheriff''s Race
Submitted by mcsreader on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 10:27am.
I am a member of the church that Mike Taylor attends. Our church is built on many core values with truth and honesty as two very important ones. I am disgusted with the lies that have come from Mike Taylor during this campaign. I am taking advantage of Sun Tzu’s blog to inform the public of one such lie that Mike Taylor has told. OUR CHURCH DOES NOT HAVE ORDAINED MINISTERS, therefore he is not a practicing ordained minister. I believe he has made this statement for political gain, and it is very misleading. I am personally offended by his activities and lies, and would like to let everyone know that they are not condoned by my church or my religion. Submitted by Angela on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 10:42am.
Do you have any proof that he has never been an ordained minister? Do you know what religion he practiced when he was a missonary? Has he always been in the denomination that he practices presently? If he was an ordained minister in another denomination and he changed denominations did that cause him to lose his status as an ordained minister. Meaning if he is a licensed real estate agent and he quit selling real estate does he lose that privilege to say he is a licensed real estate agent? If he retain his status as an ordained minister does he lose that if your denomination does not have ordained minister? Just wondering. Submitted by pioneer on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 10:52am.
MCS Reader, Welcome to MCS blogs. Your input and information is welcome and helpful. Come back often. Submitted by mcsreader on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 11:09am.
The religion he practiced when he was a missionary is the exact same religion he is practicing now. Serving a mission is part of our religion, for a lot of our members. I was born into a family that practices this religion, so I do not know the answer to you question about losing ordained minister status. Here is what I do know, he has been in my religion for over 20 years and it is the same religion he was practicing when he served his mission. He is not a minister in any other religion, because that would mean he is not really a member of my religion. Because I see him at church on Sundays, I know he is not at another church preaching a sermon. If you are a member of my church, you are not a member of another church. Those are facts, not opinions. If he was an ordained minister before joining my church he would not use it as an element in his campaign now that he is a member of my church. Unless you are in my church, you would not understand this, but I am sure he does. I believe becoming an ordained minister requires some type or school or training. My church does no provide or ask members to do this. I would like to point out that my church does ABSOLUTELY respect all other religions, we just believe that our religion is the one true church of God. I believe that all churches believe that their church is God's one true church, or else they would just attend any church. I am sure there are exceptions to my statement. I am just trying to say that I respect everyone's religion not matter what it is and I hope that the statements I have made above do not make anyone think anything else. I have a great pride in my church and religion and I am afraid that Mike Taylor identifying himself as part of my church will bring further criticism on my religion.
Submitted by Marsha on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 11:10am.
If you don't maintain the license and keep it active you cannot call yourself a real estate agent. I don't know what the deal is with ordained Ministers. It's probably like most everything else Mike Taylor has said in his campaign, there may be a miniscule point of fact that was not quite represented as it exists but is presented in a light meant to impress a voter into connecting those arrows next to his name.
Submitted by mcsreader on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 11:12am.
No member of my faith is an ordained minister, even up to the highest levels of the church. Some may have been ordained ministers formerly, but they are not practicing. This is a blanket statement that I make with no discomfort. Submitted by Angela on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 11:19am.
I thought the Church of Latter Day Saints was the mormon church. Unlike other denomination they don't have one minister they have several spread among layministers. I thought they believed all were ordained. Don't they have some type preisthood they enter as young man? Which is not like the preisthood for other religions. I don't really think it makes a difference to people or God either. Submitted by vicedr on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 12:22pm.
Thank you mcreader for speaking the truth about Taylor's ordained ministery. I am glad that someone in his congregation spoke up. I am also glad to hear that the church is not supporting him in his lies. I really wish this was sent in as a New Blog so all would see. Could you copy and paste as a new blog. I think it is valuable insight for those unbelievers. Submitted by mcsreader on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 1:21pm.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the Mormon church. In the ward level, which is the actual congregation you attend, we have a bishop and he has two counselors. They lead the meetings on Sunday. Everyone in the congregation helps with the worship on Sunday. Basically, everyone in the congregation gives a talk or gives their testimony about what the believe at some point. Not everyone helps every sunday, but for the most part everyone contributes over time. There are no ministers or layministers and nobody believes they are either of them. Nobody has ever used the work "ordained" except for Mike Taylor. He would never use those words inside of our church, so why is he using them in front of the public? We do receive the preisthood, but it is not refered to as being ordained in any terms, ever. I have been a member my whole life, and I have never heard the word "ordained" used in my church, ever. Since Mike is a member of my church and has been for some time, he is not a practicing "ordained Minister." My problem Mike's statement, is that he is saying something that is not used in my church to appeal to the public. Submitted by mcsreader on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 1:24pm.
Vicedr You have brought up a good point. I will post a blog referring people to this blog. There has been a lot of discussion already and I don't want people to miss out on it. Submitted by Angela on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 1:47pm.
I certainly don't want to get into the subject of an explanation of the Mormon religion. First I've never seen God endorse a religion. I've always heard you know when a politician is lying their mouth is moving. I didn't see an exemption for that either. Would it be presumptuous of me to think your opinion of voting for Mike Taylor reflects that of every person in your church? Submitted by vicedr on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 1:52pm.
Ignore Angela, she argues everything even the most obvious to everyone else. I think most that read here will appreciate your input. The emphasis on "most". Submitted by mcsreader on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 2:02pm.
That would be very presumptuous. I have not taken a poll of the members in my church. I know some people are supporting him, and some are not. I am speaking to an issue that weighs heavy on my heart. I just think it is wrong to say what he has said. Submitted by Angela on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 2:04pm.
Thanks for the answer. I have some friends that are Mormons and they are supporting Mike Taylor. Submitted by Enough on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 3:52pm.
mcsreader, Before you start professing to know the religion of Mormonism, make sure you do know it! A young man who is set apart at age 12 in the Aaronic Priesthood is "ordained" to that position and called as a deacon. Every advancement in the priesthood comes with the same "ordainment". With respect to Mike Taylor as a minister in the chuch. He did serve a mission in South America. He was set apart and ORDAINED as a MINISTER of God in preaching the church teachings and held the authority to do so. Once his mission had completed, his authority/priesthood was not removed. The calling of a full time missionary is removed only. He still holds the calling of an ordained minister and older with the authority/priesthood of God. Former Bishops, Stake Presidents and other positions of authority within the church follow same suit. My guess or opinion, mcsreader, is you have been offended by Mike Taylor in the past because Mike Taylor does speak the truth. If you are so sure of false accusations, make yourself known on Sunday! We do not have paid clergy within the church on the local level. Mike Taylor is not receiving money to be a minister of the church. He does not sit at the head of it either. He is, however, ordained of God and holds his priesthood and can administer blessings through it. How dare you try to state otherwise!!!!!!!! You know you are wrong for bringing the church into this discussion and God will deal with you an judgement day for bold face lying about one of his annointed. What calling do you hold in the church? Didn't the bishopric lay thier hands on your head and ordain you to your calling? Maybe you need to spend some time with your bishop and settle your affairs before you try to lead anyone else astray by lies...
Submitted by finder on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:09pm.
You know you are wrong for bringing the church into this discussion Why then would dang near every candidate out there have to make sure you know what Church they are a member of within the first few paragraphs of their Bios. Specifically, why would Mike mention that he was an Ordained Minister if the Church has no place in the discussion? Which by the way I totally agree with. I fail to see how being on a two year mission so many years ago has anything to do with what he is doing or can do today. I know very little about the RLDS Church, but I do know that mcsreader was certainly not the first to bring the Church into the discussion. Mike Heemer Submitted by vicedr on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:11pm.
Dild you know you can be ordained over the internet? It's true, for $29.95. You can practice to yourself or anyone who will listen and you will be considered a "practicing Ordained Minister." I believe msreader spoke truthfully and I would not encourage him/her to come forward on Sunday. They just want to identify their enemies so they can deface them behind their backs. Keep it cool on Sunday. Submitted by Enough on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:16pm.
mike, You cannot even get the religion right, Mike. Do many a favor and reserve your comment to what you do know.. The religion is LDS not RLDS. I wonder how many more things you don't know that you are blogging about. I am certain Mike Taylor bring his service in the Church to just state the fact that he does serve and how he has served in his life. STOP trying to read into everything he says, but I would not expect anything different from you... Why are you commenting anyway? My comments were for mcsreader. I wonder what type of politician you would be; always commenting on everything and knows very little about any of it... Submitted by Enough on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:20pm.
if you want to be ordained by the intrernet, then go right ahead... If you understand true Mormonism, you understand my first comments on this blog. If you have no clue, you will comment like you did...
Submitted by finder on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:38pm.
Actually I do know the difference between the LDS (Mormons) and the RLDS which are not considered true Mormons. I happened to have fat fingers on that. My mind said one thing and my fingers typed something else. It happens on occasion. But I do apologize for the typo. I can fully understand your hostility. I unintentionally insulted you and your Church. Enough, I'm not a politician and I probably know a whole lot more than you give me credit for. Mike Heemer Submitted by mcsreader on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:43pm.
I consulted with many of my brotheren in the church to see if my feelings about the use of the word "ordained" was wrong. Other church members, like myself, feel that it misleads the public. Do not pass judgement on me, for our heavenly father will do that. I will not get into a church related debate with you in a public forum. I tried very hard to not bring the words of our church into this, besides saying that I am a member and the use of the words as he has used it is misleading. I pointed out that the words Brother Taylor speaks are misleading and I do not like it. The words you speak about the preisthood are true, but the way Brother Taylor has worded it misleads the public. The public looks at the words "ordained minister" as the leader of a church and Mr. Taylor is not. He does have the authority to teach the gospel and spread God's word, but so does every other boy above the age of 12 in our church. I will not identify myself on Sunday because politics have no place within the walls of our church. The church does not endorse any politics or politicians and I will not bring any politics into the church. Submitted by pos on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:43pm.
Good job ENOUGH It is hard to believe some on these IDIOTS claim to be Mormons and they dont even know the basic about being ordained to an office I have been reading these blogs for several days and I will say most of the information posted in nothing but lies BEESLER supporters have been and are out to try to destroy the life of a good person and good family BEESLER is so scared he will turn to DIRTY POLITICS and LIES to attempt to win THE TRUTH will win and MIKE TAYLOR will WIN on TUESDAY The average person that lives in CLAY county IS not as stupid as BEESLER and his supporters think they are They know his system is broken and he needs to be REPLACED NOW. I am greatful for the mail that was sent to me from whoever about the mess that BEESLER has created It supports the facts that I have has for 3 years now When you look at all the truth MIKE TAYLOR ALWAYS comes out on TOP Submitted by pos on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:48pm.
WHAT AN IDIOT I would bet you are not a member of the CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST of LATTER DAY SAINTS UNLESS you have been very inactive and dont understand the basic of our religion I am very offended that you claim to be a member and talk about another person like you have You will be accountable for your actions and your words one day Submitted by ladyjustice on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:53pm.
Okay, after reading the church member's comment, I just had to call Mr. Taylor and ask. Once again, I think many of you would benefit from asking the man himself rather than running with your brains half cocked. Mr. Taylor told me that the Priesthood is conferred (whatever that means) on boys when they turn 12 and they are "ordained" to offices within their priesthood. He further told me that following his misison, he was "ordained" to the office of Bishop, an ordination that is a lifetime calling in their faith. As for his church leader's having a problem with him or his campaign. Well, since he started the campaign his congregation has had two Bishops. Both men have actively worked on his campaign and contributed to it. MCS Reader, I don't know you and you don't know me, but it seems pretty out of line to libel a man with whom you say you worship for political gain. Not very christianlike, I would say, but it is not for me to judge. If you really do attend church with the man, why don't you call him or speak with him at your services? I was and still am a Mitt Romney supporter. He spoke out very clearly about his faith and if I am not mistaken, he too is or was a Bishop in your church. I don't think religion is out of bounds when expressing examples of demonstrated character, especially when the personal attacks against this man have been well below the belt. Mr. Taylor told me the only reason he even stated he had been a lay minister was because he has led a life of public and religious service, yet he has been slandered and libeled repeatedly for no reason other than other's political gain. All of you have made me become a stronger supporter of Mike Taylor than ever before. There has only been one perfect man walk this earth and he was crucified for it. I can't imagine what it would be like to withstand these types of personal and distasteful attacks, but I commend Mr. Taylor for not lashing back. I see his character is completely demonstrated in his restraint. That's the type of man I can enjoy supporting and be proud of!
Submitted by mcsreader on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:54pm.
If Brother Taylor would have said that he was a member and that he served a mission, I would have made any comments on this website. The "ordained minister" comment is what bothers me. I believe it was only said for political gain, because you would not describe yourself as an ordained minister in any other situation. And to prove that I am really a member, Brother Taylor holds the Melchizedek priesthood. Submitted by Critical on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 4:57pm.
Demonstrating his restraint? Please. He hides behind his nasty fliers that he sends out, that are full of lies. But that is okay. The citizens see through him, and he will get what he deserves. And that is not the position of Sheriff. Someone said it best the other day. He should never hold public office anywhere. He is underhanded and lacks judgement and character. Submitted by Enough on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 5:07pm.
"I will not get into a church related debate with you in a public forum." I do not understand that comment because you opened the door for it. I too do not wish to talk about it on this forum, this is why I said present yourself Sunday and we will meet in the Bishops office and an ordained man of God can hear what you said and then my reply. When we seek approval from people who are not our leaders in the church, we get the answers you did. I guarantee you this: there isn't a bishop, stake president or prophet that would agree with your comments. When the leaders iof the church start to lead the membership of the church astray, "amen to his priesthood" What is misleading about your statement? "He does have the authority to teach the gospel and spread God's word, but so does every other boy above the age of 12 in our church." I thught that is what minister do? Mike Taylor holds a calling at church, therefore, he is a called minister. No if, ands or buts! This is not a misleading statement. You are right, politics have no place in church, therefore, your comments are totally out of place. Submitted by ladyjustice on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 5:21pm.
Dear MCS Reader, I just did a little homework about your church on www.lds.org. Lay Clergy "Those who are ordained to minister to Church members under their responsibility, but who do not hold a Church position as a full-time profession. A member of the lay clergy is chosen from among the people, and has a full-time profession that is not connected to his religious responsibilities." Lay Clergy, Lay Minister what's the difference. Looks to me like the words are used by interchangeably by your own church. I see the words ordained, minister and clergy. You may be a member of Mr. Taylor's church, but again this type of discussion has no place here. Shame on you for trying to make something from nothing. I would not have brought my church into the middle of this if I were you. That was a bad move on your part. If you have a problem with Mr. Taylor, you should have spoken with your Lay Minister rather than an anonymous blog. You tell me who is using your church for political gain? Shame! Shame! Shame!
Submitted by pos on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 5:23pm.
Good job ladyjustice I refer to my earlier statement that this IDIOT is not a member or one that does not understand the religion Submitted by Enough on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 5:30pm.
Remember, an ordained bishop is a life calling, something a member of the church should know already! Be very careful what you say from this point on. Speaking about the Lord's annointed is not a good thing. Bishops will have copies of these blogs on Sunday. Bishops from both wards will because I do not know what ward you are in. We will let them be led by the spirit to find you, since you will not come forward... Mike Taylor will then know who to pray for...
Submitted by vicedr on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 5:30pm.
Another example of taylor supporters hard at work................ Submitted by Enough on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 5:33pm.
I would expect no other type of comment from you... Submitted by ladyjustice on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 5:44pm.
MCS Reader, I see a Beseler supporter desperately attempting to discredit Mr. Taylor once again. This time by using his religion. Shame! After contacting Mr. Taylor once more I am certain you do not speak for the church. Guess what I learned? Both of his current and former Bishops have been active in their support of his campaign! He told me that there are two congregations that meet in his building. The former Bishop of his congregation has been on a campaign committee since the beginning of the race and is listed as a contributor on his financial statement. His new Bishop is a supporter and contributor as well. The other congregation's former Bishop is on his finance committee. With all of the lies being thrown at Mr. Taylor, no wonder he felt it appropriate to state an obvious manifestation of his character. If he is an ordained lay minister and has served for 20 plus years that does speak to his character. Just like Mr. Mitt Romney, who I also support!!! If you really are a member of his congregation, good for you to choose your candidate. But, you stooped below the belt just like so many other Beseler supporters. I have read all of Mr. Taylor's fliers and I have read the Jacksonville Public Safety Officer's Fliers, too. I do not see a man hiding behind fliers. I see a man telling the public what the fliers says is true and speaking facts to back it up. Just another reason for my support! Disagree on issues all you want, but lies and rumors of lies is nothing short of childish! Submitted by Critical on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 5:59pm.
Disagree on issues all you want, but lies and rumors of lies is nothing short of childish! Mike Taylor would not know a fact if it smacked him in the face. Please tell me where Mike Taylor has EVER backed anything he has said, or printed in those fliers, with any factual statements. It is the Taylor supporters that come on here calling people names and throwing insults. If it were not for the smear campaign, Taylor would have no campaign. He certainly cannot back it up based on his experience or character.
Submitted by FelixKulpah on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 6:07pm.
I personally have never seen or read of Taylor claiming to be an "ordained minister. However, I believe I heard him say at the Clay Hill forum that he had been the leader of a congregation in South Florida. I don't know anything about the Mormons and whether they have "ordained ministers" or not. If Taylor did actually say that he was an "ordained minister" it could have been because he was trying to translate the nature of his religious status, whatever it might be, in to terms that would be understood by those hearing him. Mormonism is somewhat different than many other Christian denominations; religious institutions have different practices and offices and terms to describe them. Sometimes you have to have to translate things from Mormon to Baptist or from Jewish to Protestant in order to be understood. What I personally think is that if Taylor really did claim to be an "ordained minister" is that he was just trying to make himself appear greater than he actually is, a common political tactic. However, many religious words have multiple meanings, and in their secondary meaning it could be said that Taylor was speaking the truth if he called himself an "ordained minister." "Ordained" is related to "ordinance," so can be taken to mean "lawful" or "orderly," meaning that he is a minister in the normal, approved sense. As for "minister," it's primary meaning is that of a member of the clergy, in it's secondary sense anyone who serves can be said to be "ministering." Personally, I like people to leave their faith at the door when they run for public office. However, from what I have seen Taylor has just been mentioning his faith, and has not been pushing it as a reason for voting for him. This is a common political practice, as most of the political pamphets I have mention that someone is a member of this church or that church. Submitted by FelixKulpah on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 7:07pm.
Since we are talking about religion, it is worthy to note that the only major religious sects America has ever produced are the Mormons and Scientology. Like it or not, only these two were born in America, and these two are subject to a significant amount of prejudice in Western society. This is witnessed by government persecution of FLDS Mormons (a seperate church than LDS) in Texas, and government persecution of Scientologists in Germany. Blogs on these incidences can be found at www.conspiracy.townhall.com, and at http://www.christsells.com/id28.html. Submitted by Traurigkeit_Regiert on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 10:46pm.
Lachen laut, FelixKulpah, but I think that the Native Americans would disagree with you. They produced some very major religions, of which some are still practiced on this continent. And, I believe, in the opinion of many in the world today, the word "sect" in your comment should be replaced with "cult." There is a reason scientology is verboten in Deutschland. Just because these cults with verrückt believes were born in America is no reason to be proud, anymore than Germany is proud of spawning Hitler. Submitted by FelixKulpah on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 11:54pm.
Du lachst, und bin ich bashempt. I knew I would forget someone, in this case I forgot Native Americans. I was mostly making conversation rather than trying to make a point. I did not mean to disrespect the Native Americans, it is just that they are off my radar regarding organized religions. Neither did I wish to intimate that there is anything in common between Mormonism and Scientology other than their country of origin. Lately I have seen a great deal of Mormon bashing, in various forms, and I was kind of hinting that I didn't want this particular blog to go that way. Beyond this, I consider it a societal curiosity that America has produced only these two religious groups which are considered to be out of the mainstream in their own homeland. I have to admit that my Doytch is not very good, and that I am unfamiliar with the term Verruckt, (I realize I spelled that incorrectly, but I don't have an umlaut on my keyboard) but I can tell from the context that it has a negative connotation. You can say there is a reason scientology is forbidden in Germany, but most of the opinions in that blog (Germany vs. Scientology) came from the comments to an article in Die Welt. Most of the Germans who posted thought that their government was in the wrong and has bigger problems to worry about than scientology. Something else that bothers me is that people are way too quick to bring up "Nazis" or "Hitler" as comparitive terms. Though I don't believe you meant it negatively, comparing Mormons or Scientology to Hitler is one long, long stretch. Ich hof as mir velen bald weiderbloggen
Submitted by younglife on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 8:44pm.
You must not attend our church very regularly, because completely on the contrary they do use the word ordained quite often. I agree that we don't call them lay ministers - however, he was a Bishop prior to coming to the ward - therefore, had to be ORDAINED. Maybe you are not a member at all. Maybe on Sunday you should go up to Brother Taylor and explain your discontent with him directly - or sit down with your own Bishop to get further counsel. Submitted by younglife on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 8:53pm.
You must not attend our church very regularly, because completely on the contrary they do use the word ordained quite often. I agree that we don't call them lay ministers - however, he was a Bishop prior to coming to the ward - therefore, had to be ORDAINED. FOR BROTHER TAYLOR TO HOLD THE MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD - he HAD to be ORDAINED. Maybe you are not a member at all. Maybe on Sunday you should go up to Brother Taylor and explain your discontent with him directly - or sit down with your own Bishop to get further counsel. Submitted by mcsreader on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 10:22pm.
At the risk of sounding contrary to my own statements, let me take a step back and clarify my statements. I know that the word ordained is used in our religion, but I don’t believe it is used in the way that Brother Taylor was/is using it. That is the message that was meant in my submissions. I am saying that I believe the words he used to describe his position in the church were carefully picked to portray an image. Those words would not have been used by a member in any other situation. I may have come off a little harsh, but I am not conceding. I am simply trying to clarify my points because I think you gentlemen are arguing something that I am not. I think with all of our comments we have painted a full picture and that maybe I did not paint the full picture before because of my annoyance with Brother Taylor’s choice of words. I hope that everyone reading this realizes that I do not hate Brother Taylor, I simply am disturbed by the usage of words. I think that other words or phrases could have been used to better describe his position in the church. I did not say that our church does not support him, I said that each member of the congregation makes up their own mind. Some support him and some support the other candidates in the race. This is my final submission on this subject. People are talking about ...Here are the recent blog postings with the most comments. |
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Somebody get an ice pack.
That is going to leave a mark..