Mike Taylor a man of Character and Integrity?

Insight is great.  18 years of law enforcement experience mostly with FDLE doesn't a Sheriff make.

Since when did you become the judge of how a parent disciplines his child within his own home and how he is disciplined? 

You seem to keep avoiding my question about why Adam and/or Mr. Taylor been arrested yet?  It is clear that you can cut and paste the laws on blogs; you have proven that fact!  Why is it the current Sheriff, along with his command team, 150+ deputies, FDLE agents, the SAO, and the Governor all see the law different than you?  Like I said in another blog, the WITNESSES (again for the cheap seats, additional witnesses were at the scene of the alleged attack) did not corroborate the victims statement to police! 

Even if Adam Taylor admitted, again, the Sheriff, FDLE, the SAO and the Governor are covering for Mike Taylor and his son by concealing his crime too??  Please man.. wake up and smell what you are shoveling. Maybe you mail all of them the laws governing the crime, because you know it better then all of them. 

You cannot seriously believe that Mike Taylor, as a civilian, has that much influence with the current Sheriff and HIS hand picked command staff, the SAO office and all their investigators, ALL FDLE agents amd supervisors, and the Governor all in his back pocket, can you???  You make him sound like a GOD!  I am sure he appreciates the compliment, but he does not need your help to win the election.  He is doing fine on his own!!! 

Let me add to your closing statement, if I may.  Victims, please do not wait a year or more to tell you parents about such acts either!!!  Parents get connected more with your children so you can tell when they have been raped!!  Apparently we have some teenagers who live among us who can disquise a rape and ack like nothing happens for a year and parents do not pick up on it...

Neither does being and FBI school graduate or 20+ years in the military...

Since when did you become the judge of how a parent disciplines his child within his own home and how he is disciplined?

Florida statutes did that a long time ago.

What you fail to take into consideration is the differences between discipline and punishment and abuse.

Body slamming or tackling is not discipline or punishment. 

Mike Heemer

Give me a break Mike...  Mr. Taylor admitted striking his son open-handed.  If it were abuse, don't you think it would have been a balled fist.  You seem to be of the senior generation by your picture.  I wonder how many times you dad put you in your place growing up and if you tell me he didn't, I would call you a bold face liar.  Or if you have kids, how many times you put them in their place. 

A child smart mouth his parent in public and the parent pops him in the mouth.  Is this child abuse?

The police use those tactics ( Body slamming or tackling) daily to stop or apprehend a person. They don't even know the person. I guess when you are trained to react that way you do so in other situations as well. If it's not considered abuse to the general public then why was it abuse when his son was attempting to runaway and he used those tactics. Just wondering. Probably why he wasn't charged in his son's case and they aren't charged when they use it against the general public. I think they call if a resonable amount of force to get a situation under control. I guess he could have shot him!

Body slamming or tackling is not discipline or punishment.  I don't recall Mr. Taylor saying this was punishment.  He said he was stopping his son from leaving the house.  He then went on to say, I believe, they hugged and cried.  This does not sound, to me anyway, the actions of a child that has been abused!

Thanks Angela,  you type faster than I do...

So, you think that a child skipping school/running (we don’t know which) away from home and a criminal fleeing from a crime scene are similar?  Also, if Mr. Taylor can’t turn off his work environment behavior at home, maybe he should seek counseling and find a new job.  I hope no NFL linebackers mistake their running children for a quarterback and give them a little “punishment.”  They would have a great excuse (according to Angela)…  Do you think about how the things you say sound before you post them?

Sometimes its not even a criminal fleeing just a person who does not obey a command. Stop!

I hardly think a football player would be in line with a law enforcement officer. Two completely different fields to play in.

Now if he would have shot him I may think that was excessive. Have fun!

Question goes to you then.  Did Mr. Taylor he tackled his son for punsihment or to keep him from leaving the house?  I remember Mr. Taylor's comments were as punishment for his sons behavior was to cut his hair.  Take a poll from high school boys today and ask them if they would feel a parent forcing them to have their head shaved would be a form of discipline...Answer might just surprise you; but then again, it is you, it might not.  As vain as kids are today in the way they look, I would think Adam Taylor was very upset about his father's form of disipline to shave his head.  Only after Mr. Taylor's son bowed up at him, did he resort to physical disipline.

Did I strike a nerve.  Apparently you are one of two people.

1.  A blinded very strong supporter of Taylor.

2.  You are Taylor himself.

The reason he has not been arrested is with the SAO and them alone!  Now if I was a supporter of a candidate, would I prosecute or allow it to sit until after an election?  I would wait.  The only way for the SAO to clear him would to find the case unfounded.  This was nor the case.

There you go Genius.  If you cannot understand the law then maybe you need to refirain from attacking someone who takes the time to do some research.

Go back and crawl under the rock with Taylor and let him tell you some more lies.  Eventually he will be done with you also.

You are the agressor here... Remember, you started this blog!  I am just asking questions! 

First of all, I am not Mr. Taylor.  I am just a supporter of his, yes.  For the record, I was a Beseler supporter for the past 2 years and I did vote from him, in the last election.  He had me fooled as a lot of other people I know.

I am a parent of teenage daughters.  I can promise you this; if any of them were raped, in the same fashion the folio article reported the alleged victims were, I would have picked up behavioral differences immediately!!!  You cannot hide a rape!  (especially for over a year).  There would be bruises, scraps, scratches, torn clothes, if it was forced vaginal penitration, there would be bleeding. My daughters would be walking different, sitting in a fetal position; Definate signs of a struggle. Things that could not be hid.  That is what I am saying.  Adam Taylor admitted his part in all of this.  Yet, everyone else, who was not there, seems to know there was more.

As mad as he** as I would be if one of my daughters was raped, I would have ask myself how this happened, also.  Where was I, and what the he** my daughters could be doing in a home with other teenages alone.  I would not wait a year and trust me, the story would given to creditable news agency; not the Folio! 

Mr. Taylor stated that he tackled his son to keep him from leaving the house.  Are you saying that we can tackle our children when they run away from us?  I consider myself coming from a pretty hard nose family, but I was never tackled... even when I ran away. 

I wasn't accusing Mr. Taylor of anything in my post, merely pointing out how ridiculous the nature of Angela's analogy (which you agreed with) between police tackling suspects and Mr. Taylor tackling his son.  I think it is a ridiculous analogy, and saying that someone reacted with instinct because they are a cop is pretty much the same thing as saying they would react the same because they are an NFL linebacker.  It is a stupid rationalization for something that occured, by someone who was not present for the event.  THAT WAS MY POINT.

Although I might agree a football field is not in the face of danger as a law man is, I would have to say, in my experience work training can bleed over into personal life.  You cannot convience me that a man who has been trained to protect the public from the "bad guy" would allow a "bad guy" to run.  Can we agree that an off-duty police officer in plain clothes can tackle someone, even a teenager who was fleeing the scene of a crime and it would be child abuse, then?  What if just a concerned citizen did the same, to protect the public, would it be abuse?

Mr. Taylor stated his son was mad.  Now, Mr. Taylor was the best judge at that particulat time whether to let his son leave or maybe he thought it would be better if he stay and they calm down together.  I was not there.  I am sure there was something in Mr. Taylor's training that caused him to tackle his son to stop him.  You and others make it seem like Adam Taylor was walking peacefully and his father laid him out for nothing.

sorry for the double post...

Enough;

Yes, I'm of the 'senior' generation if that is what 62 is to you. You make some very rash assumptions and statements.

I wonder how many times you dad put you in your place growing up and if you tell me he didn't, I would call you a bold face liar. And you would be making a grave error in doing so.

Let's just say that I undoubtedly have a lot more experience with child abuse (or being abused as a child) than you have but it wasn't from my Dad.

I'll tell you without hesitation that if I saw a parent hit their child in the mouth in a store I'd be on my phone calling the police as soon as I could get it off my belt and opened.

What is the difference if it is 'open handed'? Have you really looked at this guy? You don't think he can inflict some serious pain with an open hand?

This isn't the good old days (which weren't really that good) of taking a boy out to the woodshed or breaking out the belt. Those days are long gone and good riddance to them.

A child smart mouth his parent in public and the parent pops him in the mouth.  Is this child abuse? 

Damn right it is. If your vision is so clouded that you can't see that then you are in dire need of some parenting classes.

Unless you've spent some time dealing with or talking to abused children so that you understand what 'abused child syndrome' means then I suggest that you keep your outdated opinions to yourself because you know not of which you speak. 

Mike Heemer

I don't think there was any Terry Tate "office Linebacker" action...

I am not trying to undermine you, but I really don't understand what was said in your first paragraph. 

Like I said before, I was just making a comment that what Angela said was ridiculous.  If his police training caused him to tackle his son, his police training has also failed him in the regard of differentiating between a suspect and his child.  When you are an officer, your life is on the line a lot of the time and if you don't catch the person running from you, you might never see them again because there were no real witnesses.  Adam was his son, running because his dad hit him and he wanted to get away (I'm not saying his dad abused him with that hit...I am not passing any judgement).  There is a huge difference between a son running from his dad and a suspect running from the police.  The situation is what it is, I am not trying to make any type of deal out of it.  A child ran from his father, and his father tackled him.  Those are the facts, and anything else from anyone else, is simply speculation.

Step back and take a look at my initial blog and your reply.  Who is the agressor?  I presented information that was put out by Taylor himself and showed flaws in his statements.

I presented the Florida State Statutes showing where Adam Taylor broke the law.  I have not expressed my belief in his parenting skills as to whether they are acceptable or not-you did.

Listen to Taylor talk, he will tell you all he has supposedly done, and I say supposedly because I do not know for sure.  If you do not believe contacts can be made when in different positions as such, then you need to wake up and smell the bs.

As far as knowing how you will know whether your daughters are victims or not, there are women thay have kept this secret their entire lives. If you read the information the victims have been in counseling since this occurred. In addition the victims did not wait a year before coming forward. It has just taken this long for it to come out because the FDLE wanted it kept quiet until the investigation was over.

Regardless of what the local law enforcement or FDLE believes it is soley up to Harry Shorstein to issue an arrest warrant and try him.  Unfortunately Shorstien can elect to not prosecute for what ever reason he chooses regardless of the evidence.  If he wakes up and it is cloudy and does not want to charge anyone that day then he doesn't have to.

Apparently you have more insight than anyone because you stated ALL the deputies, FDLE, SAO,and the Governor seem to think he is innocent.  I wish I had your wisdom and insight.

Lets just kick back and relax.  Enough with all this hoop lah about Taylor.  The public should know by now (at least the non ignorant one's, so about ten of us) that MT's son is not the best person or child to have in the family if you're seeking public office.  We know the half truths and lies being promoted by MT.  All the glorious things he'll do once elected.  Sorry folks, there is just too much mold on this fruitcake (bad metaphor, shame on me, i know) to get my vote. 

We also know that we have to choose between three human beings (not perfect individuals) to become or remain as our Sheriff. 

Last ditch attempts to cause negativity in this campaign will do nothing now unless it's major.  Signs, pamplets, brochures, and even forums are almost useless now.  In eight days RB according to anyone with a brain in their head will be re-elected as our Sheriff, less i have my foot in my mouth.  With the third party, i'll make my prediction of 55RB-35MT-10GN +/- 5 and make a quiet exit until the 27th to boast in the sunshine or gain another life lesson on humility, happy blogging! 

As of 8-18-08, Mike Taylor still has a sign in his yard, despite being asked (told) by the FI HOA to remove it. I wonder how that makes all of the other residents feel, being that they are not permitted to have signs in their yard, and comply with those rules.

Disclaimer: This is not an "I heard" statement. This is a "I saw" statement, meaning that I saw it MYSELF. If anyone would like to verify it, they can certainly do so. It does not take a detective to find out where he lives.

http://myflemingislandplantation.com/index.php

Above is the community website for Fleming Island Plantation.  Look on the right hand side under Info.  I wonder what the info From Mike Taylor is?  Could it be about the signs?

If I am looking at the right restriction document for Fleming Island Plantation, this is what it says about signs.  If the developer is still in control, it could be that Mr. Taylor has approval for his sign; the way this reads:

Book 1834, Page 819

No sign; Billboards. No signs or advertisements of any kind may be placed on any portion of the Property without the approval of Declarant as to size, design, content and location, except for standard realtor “for sale” signs.

Read44

No, the only signs allowed on residential property in FIP are uniform real estate signs and home security system signs. Mr. Taylor does not have "permission" to have his sign in his yard. Apparently, rules do not apply to Taylor. The issue is working it's way through the violation process, but Taylor continues to thumb his nose at the process.

Courteous residents are aware of FIP covenants and follow them. They see Taylor's actions as just another example of his arrogance. FIP, neighbors, and the high school are quite familiar with Taylor's Tactics.

The website you linked is not FIP website. It is strictly Mike Taylor's.

I see what you mean about the website now. 

So far, I can't find the real Fleming Island Plantation community website.

Good job Enough Keep standing up for the truth I know most people in Clay county can see all the wrong that has been promoted but the other canidates supportes. FEDUP has ben very untruthful in my opinion He is telling a small portion of the truth

Mr FINDER has a lot of nerve talking about your DAD It goes along with all the rest of the crap that people are trying to spead when I bet he does know a thing about your father If I know how to get in touch with him I would point out how MR FINDER is saying how bad a father you have.

Sounds like you have hit a nerve with FEDUP he ia a real work of you know what

He is being very untruthful?

By your own statement-  I am telling the truth.  Mike Taylor is the one not wanting to tell the whole truth.  Let it all come out.  My blogs are not the ones changing. My statements have not changed, Taylor is the one that seems to change his statements. 

You are apparently another blind individual that cannot see the forest for the trees. Have someone explain that to you,  I know you won't be able to understand that analogy, oh wait, do you know what an analogy is?

Why are you having to defend Enough, although we disagree ha at least seems to have some intelligence.

I am not defending Enough I am supporting his stand for truth Enough does not need to be defended Yes you are right the real truth will come out

Statements like MR FINDER against Emough's father is a sample of what is going on It is stupid  What Enough's father did or didnt do is not a factor and for him to make a statement like that is real stupid It shows where his ability lies to make good judgement when I bet he has no knowledge on this matter and other things he is talking about

Look at the truth and decide which man you want for Sheriff based on true facts Judge the man running based on his ability to make a safe place for all in Clay

Mr FINDER has a lot of nerve talking about your DAD It goes along with all the rest of the crap that people are trying to spead when I bet he does know a thing about your father If I know how to get in touch with him I would point out how MR FINDER is saying how bad a father you have.

pos; 

What the heck are you talking about? I can't even figure out who's dad you think I might have been talking about.

The only statement that I made with the word dad in it was:

Let's just say that I undoubtedly have a lot more experience with child abuse (or being abused as a child) than you have but it wasn't from my Dad.

And that was in response to:

I wonder how many times you dad put you in your place growing up and if you tell me he didn't, I would call you a bold face liar.  

You went around the bend on me there. Mind explaining that to me?

Mike Heemer

YOUR WORDS Submitted by finder on Mon, 08/18/2008 - 4:30pm.

Enough;

Yes, I'm of the 'senior' generation if that is what 62 is to you. You make some very rash assumptions and statements.

I wonder how many times you dad put you in your place growing up and if you tell me he didn't, I would call you a bold face liar. And you would be making a grave error in doing so.

I told you I made a comment in response to this statement:

I wonder how many times you dad put you in your place growing up and if you tell me he didn't, I would call you a bold face liar. 

That statement was made by ENOUGH in a post titled PUNISHMENT.

Scroll up a ways and you will find it. I'd say the person making some rash comments about a person's father and about me being a liar is not me.

Get on track and read all the thread including the one from ENOUGH that implied my father would put me in my place by being physical.

When you finish that you might consider an apology for wrongly accusing me not once but twice, of something I did not do.

And you can get hold of me right here on this blog site just like anyone else can.

Mike Heemer

Are we supposed to believe Enough is Adam Taylor? This thread is confusing.

I was just wondering that myself.

I doubt it though- a little too deliberate.

In my opinion, Enough is too literate to be a 19 year old.  I know how most of them write (note the 'pos' comments), and I doubt very much if Enough is a teenage boy/man.  Many of them have no idea of punctuation, grammar or complete sentences, since most are used to texting or just never learned the basics.  I wonder who 'pos' really is. 

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I'd agree with that. I don't think enough is that young. As for pos whoever he/she is, is real good about throwing out insults and accusations but not very good at admitting or taking responsibility for errors.

I notice that whoever it is has been in and out at least twice since I posted for the second time the proof of the error of their ways in the unjust condemnation of me for something I did not say.

But then, for obvious Taylor supporters I would not expect anything else.

Oh well. I'm a big boy and this is not the first time and I'm sure it won't the last either.

Mike Heemer

Maybe they will all go away. I see that crazy broad, RT1, is gone. Now there was a woman with a serious identity problem.

I don't get why there are so many losers who get there kicks writing lies and drivel on the internet. Get a life, people!

WELL SAID I HAVE NEVER READ SO MANY LIES BEFORE IN MY LIFE EACH TIME A GOOD POSITIVE TRUTHFUL STATEMENT IS WRITTEN ALL YOU LOSERS PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT IT i TOTALLY AGREE THERE ARE A LOT OF LOSERS IN CLAY COUNTY AND THEY WILL BE SUPRISED ON AUG 26 AND THEN THE REAL TRUTH WILL COME OUT AND SOME WILL BE READY TO RUN

And you are one of them that has tried to spread one about me. I have explained twice that you were incorrect in your statement and given you ample opportunity to correct your error.

You have not yet done so. Where does that put your credibility? Before one can be respected and taken seriously in their communication one must establish their willingness to take responsibility for their mistakes.

When you decide to do so, you let me and everyone else know. In the mean time I'll file your future communications with the rest of the junk mail.

But then I expect that on August 27th one of two things will happen. There will be a bunch of Taylor supporters telling us all how stupid we were for not electing Mike or there will be a lot fewer bloggers because they all decided to hide out to lick their wounds and figure out how to gain back the trust of their boss.

I figure MT has about as much chance of being the next Sheriff as I do.

Mike Heemer

I think Mike Taylor has a much better chance of winning Sheriff than you do Finder. First of all he is a candidate for Sheriff and his name will be on the ballot seeking that position. That's at least one advantage. And as they say it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.

Well said Angela

Angela;

I'm glad to hear that you think I have at least a chance of winning the Chair position. My name won't be on the ballot but I am a candidate and there is a place to write in my name. 

Pol. Adv. approved by Mike Heemer, Write-in, Clay County Commission, Chair.

Mike Heemer

Mike I never made any comment about the chair position or your chance of winning. I was just commenting on the Sheriff's position which you did not register to be considered as a candidate. That was in reference to your comment about Mike Taylor's chance of winning.

I will say this, no one that I've talked to has pulled their support since the story about his son came out. I have had a few neighbors remove their signs for Beseler.

There has to be some deep corruption and conspiracies with many public officials and employees if the story is to be the facts as presented. Mike Taylor has not covered up any of these issues by himself. That has to be a fact too. If something smells here a bunch of people are wallowing in the mud.

Angela;

Sometimes my sense of humor is a bit warped even for me. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.

Just my off kilter way of saying I don't think MT is going to be our next Sheriff.

Mike Heemer

And as I said above it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.

Which fat lady you talking about!!!   

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

Yous not fat,

yous fluffy.

I have talked to alot of people who have had Beseler signs removed from their yards and some were replaced by MT signs.  I doubt very seriously that people would read that article and think that Mike Taylor was a model citizen deserving of our trust. 

Personally I believe that the article may have damaged his chances, but seriously I do not think he was ever a serious threat to Beseler.  Newman has gained popularity from those who did support MT.  Most of those who aren't especially supporting Beseler have had tickets.  I've asked them if they deserved them and they said "yes".  I find that humorous.  Even the people I've spoken to who have had no idea of the article feel Beseler has done a good job.  I talk to people everywhere I go and get their opinion and all from Fleming Island are not MT supporters.  All police and fire professionals I have spoken to are not MT supporters.  I am not sure where you are finding these supporters, but I think you'll be very surprised at the landslide Beseler will win by with Newman second.

Actually if you look again at the website it is Myflemingislandplantation.  It is a website funded by the Taylor team, not the subdivision. It is just a way to drum in sales of anyone interested in purchasing in that subdivision.  And to advertise himself in the process.  I am sure he is writing off this as campaign costs but really it should be realtor expenses.

It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings is a proverb meaning that one shouldn't assume the outcome of some activity until it has actually finished. No real people involved.

It goes right along with turn out the lights the party's over. Maybe they can sing that for Beseler.

Oh by the way, where is Beseler's budget? As Commissioner Bush would say no incumbent is re-elected who disputes the BCC over budget money.

Next year you think they will be required to submit it earlier?

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