Plea to anyone with common sense

Mr. Don you are back, how nice. I was begining to miss you (NOT). Very original screen name too. It demonstrates clearly what your mission is all about. 

Your little (NOT) hiny must be purple like a plum with the amount of times you get the boot and all. But I guess that's what happens when you spew lies and try to defame people. We reap what we sow, don't you know.

Kilroy

Nice post I agree. but the only way we can get this done is to have the people speak out to change the laws.

Unfortunately CCAC does not make the laws they only enforce them as they currently stand. I am certain that any laws that are placed on the books, Mrs. Goon and CCAC will enforce them with pride.

Keep up the good work.

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No Mr. Don there are not lots of people that wonder what Mrs. Goon does. You are spinning lies. 

There are three people ( including yourself ) that want to slander her and her staff for their own personal slanderous motives because their feelings were hurt for being put in their places.

I will also be here to see that your slanderous hatred does not go unanswered.

If you agree with the items mentioned on this post that Kilroy has taken the time to start, why don't you come up with some positive ideas as to how to get the laws changed to make things better.

Lets try to stay on topic ok.

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No Mr. Don

You are not on topic.

The topic is getting laws changed regarding animals.

Not It's all Mrs. Goons fault. Mrs. Goon does not make the laws.

You are off topic

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Don, that's a nice updated picture of your wife, Betty.  I like it.

I absolutely hate censorship. However, I have already did the report abuse thing and sent an email to Jonathan. That is not a threat but a statement of fact.

This crap is out of control and offensive. You want to act like 3 year olds take it elsewhere. Always on weekends when you think no one is around MCS to do anything about it.

It is rude, and shows a complete disregard for any other users.

cookiegrinder you don't learn very fast do you? truthhurts, do yourself a favor and quit with the comments you are just as bad as he is. maggie, that is uncalled for, you stepped over the line.

Now all of you go to your rooms and take a time out for the next 48 hours.

Mike Heemer

After seeing the other to bloggers above you, did you forget to take your Halloween costume off? That mask looks so real....

Finder I disagree with you a bit here.

I am defending people I care for.

If people you cared about were being attacked here in an open forum you would defend them as well.

Do not tell me I am as bad as this person. What I am doing is  right. Standing up for what is right. And it is my right.

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Seems Mr cookiegrinder is just dying for another court appearance. Really, find a job and be a constructive person for society.

Kilroy

The laws definately need to be changed in this county regarding animals.

I have often thought that folks should have to be trained and receive a certificate in order to own an animal. I think most of the problems stem out of ignorance and county laws with no teeth in them.

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Adding an onsite vet at ccac would be a great start, then when its proposed to the lawmakers there would be a way to back it up. great idea kilroy. as for the cats........thats going to be a bit trickier.

That's as good as it gets. It's hard to look good when you are surounded by such beauty.

A whale's butt, a drawing of someone and a whatever.

But hey, at least I look real.

Mike Heemer

An on site vet at CCAC would be fantastic. The problem would be getting the bucks approved

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And what a nice picture it is mr. heemer

Carefull Finder

Your begining to sound like a 3rd grader.

You know.... I know you are but what am I.

Seems like you are not above all this foolish drama that you so passionately condemn are you? You have no problem condeming me then you join in. Very good sir.

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while these issues may be annoying to some they do need to be discussed , there is an out of control animal problem in clay county with animals and irresponsible owners, ainmal control can only do so much , whats happening is people are abusing their rights to be pet owners and the animals suffer.

Nicely stated discontented, I agree there could be many great things for CCAC's future if folks could just stay focused and be positive.

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Discontented:

Thank You...DUH...I can't believe I left that very important proposal out. 

TH:

Yes that is exactly what I'm trying to do. 

I'm sure everyone has heard the phrase "if it ain't broken, don't fix it".  Our lawmakers aren't going to change or add ordinances because CCAC wants them changed (especially if it's going to make voters mad).  Our lawmakers might change the laws if the voters that put them in that position urge them to change the laws.

Clay County has a serious pet over-population problem.  Bandaging this problem by building a bigger facility is not the only answer (although I will welcome a 5 star facility).  The root of this problem is irresponsible breeders and pet shops that are only interested in profit and the backyard breeder that thinks they can make money.

I will be the first to admit that mandatory spay/neuter is a "ginormous" proposal.  The pet food industry is very wealthy and I doubt that they will support the loss of future profits.     

This problem will never go away if the root of the problem is not solved.  Wouldn't it be awesome if Clay County did for animals what the S.P.C.A. of NYC did for Child Welfare (know commonly known as D.C.F) in the late 1800's.

Finder:

I agree, I don't see why MCS doesn't block the ip address of the multi-named offender.

Please go to:

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

it is the name calling and hateful, spiteful tone that the particapants keep throwing at each other that is the annoying part.  I think we all agree that WE have a problem, and a solution isn't going to come from the blogs, no matter how many times it is gone over or by whom, The real solutions lie with the people that make the rules and ordinances,

 http://www.claycountygov.com/Departments/Enforcement/AC/AC_ordinance.htm

here is a link for the current AC ordinances.

 The  name calling, and  petty jabs, aren't going to remedy anything,

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

OK you gave the link, now tell me, did you read it?  Did you click on the 2001 ordinance?  Are you confused? 

I'm pleased that you gave the link...Now maybe people can see what we are up against. 

Please go to:

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

Are these the current ordinances? Have they been updated recently, and if so, when?

Are these the current ordinances? Have they been updated recently, and if so, when?

Im still new to this sorry for the re-post.

I think those are an older version of the ordinances

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yes, the last amendment was made in 2001 (see side bar of site).

Please go to:

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

I don't know if it is an age thing.

You would have to check with BBoC to see if the web site has been updated with changes.

I don't have any problems with CCAC so I didn't read much of it.  

All I did was post the link to the ordinances, in an effort to help with the on going feud about AC. This is what they(AC) have to work with. All the blogging in the world won't change anything especially not bloggers minds.

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

 Copied from the BoCC website:

 Volunteers Needed at Clay County Animal Control
Clay County Animal Control is looking for community volunteers to assist in numerous areas of the division. Please call Animal Control at  (904) 269-6342 if you are interested in becoming a volunteer.

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

 http://00de622.netsolhost.com/Departments/Enforcement/AC/ACadopt.htm

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

 http://00de622.netsolhost.com/Departments/Enforcement/AC/Third_Party_Complaint.pdf

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

 http://00de622.netsolhost.com/Departments/Enforcement/AC/ACprepare.htm

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

Maxie

Don't worry I get confused all the time.

I think the ordinances are a big part of the problems. The ordinances need to be amended and also have some teeth regarding offenders. Violators of the county's animal ordinances need stiffer fines and consequences. They must be held accountable and responsible.

A slap on the wrist and a no no don't do that anymore will not make bad pet owners good ones. They will just laugh it off and become repeat offenders because they know that the consequences have no bite.

We need to pass a test and get a drivers license to drive a car, but no training or license to own a living warm blooded animal who's entire life and well being is in their owners hands.

Yes they are animals, but they do feel pain, they do feel heat and cold, they do feel the agonies of starvation, abuse, and desease. 

They are not just private property, the are living things. Until the laws change to protect them with penalties that will make an offender think twice, nothing will ever change.

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From TH: A slap on the wrist and a no no don't do that anymore will not make bad pet owners good ones. They will just laugh it off and become repeat offenders because they know that the consequences have no bite.

While this statement is unarguable, let me point out the irony in that as a community we can't even get negligent drivers a proper punishment. As I see it, between FHP, the DAs office and the judges, it's also going to be ignored when children (born and unborn) are killed by these drivers. Please vote NO! on retaining the judges up for re-election in November.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

You can have all the laws and ordinances, but if no one is following them the problems lie not in the enforcement of the laws but with the "special" people that don't think that it pertains to them. If you can't get people to obey the seat belt laws and the speed limit laws, and the sign ordinances, when these are in place for the safety of us all, why would these very same people follow any rules or laws pertaining to their pets.

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

Lily & Maxie

Great observations I agree.

When folks get away with the issues you two brought up it just screams why would we expect anything else when it comes to the animals of Clay County.

To give just one simplified exapmple.

I have spoken with Officers at CCAC that tell me they could go out on a call were pitbulls are running wild at a school bus stop were our childeren wait for the bus.

These dogs are not even leash trained never mind any kind of socialization. They catch the dogs and impound them, fine the owner a whopping 25.00 fine and issue them a warning that they have so many days to go pay the fines and reclaim their dogs.

Well the lovely pet owner just says the heck with that and never bothers to go get their dogs. What they do is just go out and get more dogs because there is no shortage of bubba bubbies out there beeding these dogs so they just go get more.

Well guess what happens to those un-socialized pitbulls at CCAC ? You guessed it that dirty word euthanasia.

Then two, three, four months later Officers are right back for the same person with a new batch of dogs.

When the problem continues and these folks are brought before the judge, it's no no don't do that again.

The laws simply do not have any teeth. Maybe if the judge ordered them to take a class at their cost (not the taxpayer) before owning an animal again it would help, I don't know. But it sure wouldn't hurt.

Then crack down on all those bubba puppy mills and wanna be self proclaimed dog breeders that think they know what they are doing when in reality are clueless, only doing this for the almighty dollar. We may have the making of a good start.

I have been to CCAC were I have seen people bring in whole litters of feral kittens and dogs. From speaking with the folks at CCAC this is a never ending cycle.

CCAC does work with many rescue groups but the problem there is they come and take only the select few because their space is also limited, and they must move animals out before they can take more in. The select few that they take is great, but these are sweet purebreds that CCAC would not have any problems getting adopted out in the first place.

One of the other problems is that the rescue folks will come and select say 10, 20 tweenty animals and say hold them we will come back in a week or two weeks, not good. That would be fine and good if space was not a problem. But at CCAC space is always a problem. CCAC being a government agency must take ALL animals brought to them. Don't get me wrong the hearts of these rescue groups are in the right place, But time and space are CCAC's worst ememy when it comes to housing all these animals. 

The cycle never ends, the space is limited and very finite, and the laws have no teeth.

If I were filthy rich and powerful I would give them everything they needed . But I am not. So I give them the few items I collect and donate to them. I give them my respect and love for the great job they do in spite of it all. 

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Thank You MCS

TH:

Thanks for your consistent respect.  

I agree with you when you say the laws have no teeth. 

Recently CCAC has been graced with the presence of a variety of people ordered to served Community Service at the shelter.  The majority are young adults, first time offenders.  I take advantage of the captive audience and explain the importance of spay/neuter(ing) of pets (there are lots of examples from pure-breeds to mutts).

I put one and one together and came up with this,  make first time offenders of the Containment Ordinance serve community service time at CCAC, 4 hours sounds reasonable.  I like this one...Any person that breeds dogs or cats for profit (not actively participating in conformation, obedience, service/utility, field trials) will have to serve 18 hours...this way they (the breeder) can see what happens to dogs and cats after the check has cleared the bank or the cash is spent. 

If you go to:  

http://00de622.netsolhost.com/Departments/Enforcement/AC/ACadopt.htm 

 you will notice that 13 of the 18 adoptable dogs are pure-breeds and the majority of the 13 are small breeds Chihuahua's, Dachshunds and Jack Russells.  Now I'm sure that the breeder did not intend for their beloved pups to end up at any animal control facility...But the bottom line is that they do...because of irresponsible breeding with every problem imaginable (from genetic disorders, chronic skin conditions, behavioral issues, sudden onset of allergies, visions of grandeur (expecting a dog to act like Lassie with no training) to just not wanting the animal anymore).

I think we have two choices...1 being do nothing, blame society, blame bubba, blame the greedy breeder...or 2 ban the sale of puppies and kittens in Clay County and restrict breeding to responsible breeders that breed for a purpose other than profit. 

Please go to:

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf