give them a break

You know, I'm pretty new to this site, and it's pretty interesting. It's good that there's a place people can come and express their own opinions about issues that really get them going, but that's just it, these are personal opinions, and everyone has one.  I've seen a lot about the CCAC, and personally, they've done no harm by me. I run a rescue group and the employees go out of their ways in helping me. All of them have been so generous with their time and efforts, i applaud them. To me, and again this is MY personal opinion, it seems there are few disturbed clients out there, for reasons I believe no one is aware of, maybe it's a personal issue with one of the employees, or maybe their animal was picked up for negligence, or maybe it's just because they have nothing better to do with there time than to make drama for others because his/her life is just way too boring. I personally know several people who have adopted animals from the shelter, and neither one of them has an issue with the place, all the dogs are healthy and well taken care.  Now we do have to remember that CCAC is a shelter for unwanted pets, and we don't know why they are unwanted,  so there may be an occasion where the animal may be ill, but it's gonna happen, I do know that the staff at CCAC do there best in making these animals well and ready for adoption. But I've noticed another issue at hand, people seem to forget the reason this shelter is open in the first place, the sick cruel people who abandon these poor animals, why aren't more people focusing on these animals instead of the employees who are trying to make a difference, they are the ones who need to be focused on, who cares if one of the employees are on a smoke break, I'm sure there is a good percentage of smokers reading this, and you all take smoke breaks at work, as long as the animals are being cared for, smoke your life away, you only have yourself to blame. It's the citizens of the community who make these jobs possible for the CCAC, if they weren't so, excuse me, ignorant, then we wouldn't need the CCAC, but until people realize that they should take on more than they can handle, they should get another hobby, like collecting stamps, or bugs or something that you don't have to worry about feeding. So again these are MY personal opinions, so if you don't agree, then I guess that's why they call the personal. 




Submitted by SouthernTip on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 2:50pm.

I have to agree with forthepeople. I have adopted two dogs from CCAC and was treated very well at the shelter. The workers were very polite and helpful. I have also dealt with one of their Officers when my neighbors dog bite my grandson. The Officer was polite and very knowledgable concerning rabies and containment laws.

After reading the numerous posts or rants against CCAC, it seems like a someone had a bad experience and will not let it die. We all have our opinions and the right to express them and and this is what makes this country so great. Just my little input on the subject.

 

SouthernTip aka Joey Bag O Doughnuts




Submitted by TruthHurts on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 6:22pm.

Joey Bag O Doughnuts Laughing

and

Forthepeople

Thank you both so very much for sharing your thoughts and expeirences with CCAC.

It is very refreshng to see citizens come forward and share positive thoughts regarding these hard working people. They are some of the most honest, friendly, hard working people I have met. They do not deserve the defaming that a few vindictive people have directed at them.

As you both have observed, I am confident that there are many others that see the same.

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Submitted by NASCARFAN on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 8:41pm.

My Neighbors son's dog was put down after he went and paid the fine and they would not give it to him, because he was a minor. Then he went back with his Cousin and found out they killed his dog, and was not treated very nice about it,They didn't even wanted to give him his money back he said they were really rude.




Submitted by don99977 on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 8:49pm.

But they proven there mamagement don't want to....To much money waste and not enough done.




Submitted by TruthHurts on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 6:14am.

There are two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth.

There are some pieces missing from this puzzle.

1) Why did CCAC have your neighbors dog to begin with? Personal accountability and responsibility!!!

2) Why would your neighbor send a mimor to deal with an adult matter? Personal accountability and responsibility!!!

3) How long after he paid the fines did he come back, a week, month, months?

4) Regardless of what happened fines are fines. If you got a speeding ticket and a week later sent your car to the junk heap you still have to pay the fine. Laws were broken and you were fined.

See what I mean about pieces? Now I am not saying CCAC is perfect they are after all human and people make mistakes. But there are two sides to every story and there are some facts missing here.

The bottom line is your neighbors dog was at CCAC for a reason. If an adult was sent to handle this matter in the first place maybe this story would have turned out differently.

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Submitted by OneMann on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 12:43pm.

Clay County Animal Control workers probably have the least-desirable job on the public payroll.

First, it's the kind of job that could make an episode of "Dirty Jobs," whose host is used to dealing with animal feces.  Then toss these factors into that "least-desirable" assessment.

Except for management, the pay's not enough to support a family in Clay County.

They're occasionally exposed to personal risk while apprehending potentially-dangerous animals who have no intention of being apprehended.

Every single day they go to work, they witness the results of the kind of abuse most folks will never see (and can pretend doesn't exist.)

Each month, they'll be asked to perform their part in the system that will take 500 or souls, most every bit as healthy, normal, loving and cute as those we fawn over at home, and extinguish their lives.

Not enough to warrant that "least-desirable" description for you?  Try one more.

Every single employee at CCAC knows that no matter how hard they work today, the problem's gonna be worse tomorrow.  Why? Because there are more irresponsible animal owners than there are solutions.

So, when we criticize CCAC, let's start with the realization that we, all of Clay County, are creating the necessity for this horribly crappy job.  Even Mike Rowe won't spend a day killing one healthy dog after another.

That being a given, CCAC is a government agency and citizens have the right to demand that it be run as efficiently as possible.  Policy questions (like, does a kitten in a drain demand emergency response?) should be questioned and debated.

There are a lot of questions that should be asked about CCAC.  I haven't checked in with the County Auditor lately, but last I talked to him, that department was scheduled for a full performance audit.  I'd just as soon wait to see what turns up there, especially since his similar audits of other government departments have been enlightening, before resuming the debate here.

Michael S. Mann

michaelsmann@comcast.net




Submitted by SoloVoce on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 1:33pm.

Mike,

I've stayed out of this subject because I've had some dealings with animal control & have, in my opinion, always had service that I considered friendly & professional.  Obviously, by some of the remarks on this subject, in total, others think differently.

Once again, you've managed to put hammer to head of nail.  The facts you mentioned are very real, everyday situations.  While I'll agree that as with any organization, improvements can be made, I think the one place no improvement will be made is with the pet owners.  A minor point to add with this is the attitude of some others, whether they are pet owners or not is what harm are they doing?  (The strays or pets off leash)  They're just poor animals or, & here's a good one.  If you do happen to catch a stray, there will be one or two who, for whatever reason, will tell you that if the owner finds out, they might do some harm to you if you're caught.  I can't answer or give any kind of explanation for this total lack of thinking, but like your examples, they're hard, everyday facts.  Thanks for the input.

Rich K 




Submitted by don99977 on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 9:16pm.

There are always irresponsible Pet Owner and Unwanted Pets, but there are better ways to control these things like Friendly Adoption for example, Customer Service really is missing at CCAC. Charms School for theses folks would be a real plus for them....they need it Next is Education, for example ... empty table with just some papers on it at Argricultural Fair for CCAC was a JOKE. And how come no animals were there for Adoption. IT WAS A ARGRICULTRAL FAIR.

And grants for low cost spayed and neutering programs,there are tons of grants to get...it just take a little work. These are wiith PETCO, PETSUPERMARKETS etc and so many others, And there are to many mistakes that are make there but the public doesn't know about it, that why there are NO volintueers there,

Adoption is one way, Rescue is next..there are so may Rescue Groups and Rehab Groups, not by killing that the easy way out,but then again that takes a little work...Yes is a dirty job but it can be a real rewarding job it what you make it.but there some people would rather be on  MYCLAYSUNBLOG then put in that  little extra work in on Clay Co Time.




Submitted by TruthHurts on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 10:18pm.

Don

I think your G-string is to tight. Maybe you should consider moving up a few sizes so some blood can actually reach your head.

So you called Peta big deal, all this does is waste their time checking into your warped revenge game against CCAC because of them kicking you out for touching a female staff member at CCAC inappropreately and miconduct.

I think Peta has more important things to do then chase your red herrings.

By the way what charm school did you go to? If I were you, I would ask for a refund. You got ripped off. 

 

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Submitted by Angela on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 10:32pm.

As you have stated to me before about making statements. Would you please provide police reports or documents of charges filed against Don99977. Of course we all know it is a crime to commit battery against an individual. I am certain charges would have been filed and public records made of those charges. Could you please post them for everyone to see since you have made these accusations.




Submitted by TruthHurts on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 10:42pm.

I am sure Don will be happy to fax them over to you. Or better yet you are the public records guru you dig it up and figure it out.  Do your own work, Give him a call yourself I am sure you have his number or gottasayit can give you it call her up. 

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Submitted by Angela on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 10:53pm.

I don't have don99977 number. I don't know gottasayit either. You are in a public forum making accusation. If he has been charged with a crime it is public records and you evidently know his name.

Here are your post:

AngelaSubmitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 10:37pm.

Maybe you should post the name of the person that stated this to you, and the name of the officer that said let them die.

Angela/ WalmartSubmitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 10:55pm.

It's your post Dear you seen to be convinced and disgruntled over it enough to post it here.

It's it your motto say what you mean and mean what you say! You have the information post it.

I do believe the Kmart issue has be validated. Can your above accusation be validated. I certain there has to be court documents of charges of battery and a resolution of the case.




Submitted by TruthHurts on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:02pm.

Angela

With all do respect and I am not trying to be mean here but I don't care if you beleive this or not ok.

I have told you and others on numerous occasions that all they have to do is go to CCAC and ask questions for themselves. It's amazing what you can find out when your face to face and looking into the eyes of another human being.

All the things that Mr. Don is starting here is nothing more then a dog and pony show because he is bitter. The pity is that some people actually feed into it.

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Submitted by Angela on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:08pm.

So what you saying is you have no proof. You cannot provide any documents of charges filed against don99977 or court documents. Right. But you continue to make these accusations in a public forum..

That might violate the terms of service




Submitted by TruthHurts on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:19pm.

I don't beleive I said any of that. Those are your words and assumptions. You can beleive whatever you want. 

What I said was go find out for yourself. Go to CCAC look those folks in the eyes and ask them the questions. Thats what I am saying to you.

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Submitted by Angela on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:29pm.

What I'm saying to you is you are making accusation against a person and stating they committed battery against someone. That's a crime and people are charged when they commit crimes. You should produce the documents or don't make the statements. However, I do feel personal accusation in a public forum such as those should be reported to MCS for review. Everyone who can read this across the world wide net can't go to animal control.




Submitted by TruthHurts on Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:36pm.

Angela

Then hit the abuse button, more power to you.

He is a big boy and can defend himself just fine.

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Submitted by don99977 on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 5:59am.

I have never committed of a crime nor have been ever arrested or  even a speeding tickets Truthhurts,Cookie, who ever you are or trying to be. I don't have anything filed against me....nor have been charged with anything. I THINK YOUR G-STRING IS TOO TIGHT......OR maybe your not putting lipstick on that pig any more....your putting a G-STING on it.....buts its still a PIG




Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 6:09am.

Thank you clearing that up. LOL

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Submitted by don99977 on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 6:35am.

Clay Co Citizens lets start directing our goals to saving more animals in a positive way. We someone who start in that direction and make Animal Control A better Place.

We need to start at the top a NEW LEADER IS NEEDED AT ANIMAL CONTROL.

Someone who can get them out of the Dark Ages and not keep Defending themselfs.




Submitted by newcomer on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 8:43am.

By now we all have heard about what is going on at Clay Co Animal Control and of course what is not happening at Animal Control.  What is going on is poor or nonexistent management, but worst of all poor and inhumane treatment of our Clay Co Pet/animals.  We animal lovers want something done and hope that with "The Citizens for a Better Clay Co Animal Control" a totally volunteer group, they will help the animals.  The animals need Vet Care they need clean kennels, they need exercise, that just need someone to give a damn.  The Management of Clay Co does not no matter how much they fight for their phony baloney jobs they just don't.  I have seen that in person and have spoken to many who have also experienced it.  Our Commissioners need to get off their duffs and do something, don't think we just don't care because when it comes time for the votes you will see differently.  DO SOMETHING. 

Some of the people at animal control have been there for years and seem to care more about, coffee breaks, naps in the back, cigerette breaks, lunchtime and gossip.

Animal Control personnel in the past have falsely accused many people just to get them out of their way and that is what is happening now.  To keep you busy and out of their hair, if they think you are paying too much attention to them and drawing attention to them and their phony baloney jobs, they falsely accuse,the person on the blog is not the first, I know that for a fact, and will not be the last if we as citizens let this continue right under our noses.  Any believe me it will continue until they all retire up there, they are milking the system, lying to the public with smiles on their faces. 

The personnel at Animal Control have a history of false accusations on innocents again I know this for a fact.  This should be stopped and the only way is to get rid of the problem, and the real problem here are some of the employees at Clay County Animal Control




Submitted by SouthernTip on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 9:55am.




Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 6:27pm.

Maybe

"The Citizens for a Better Clay County Animal Control" should go down their (CCAC)and volunteer their services to walk these animals and clean up their feces.

CCAC has a volunteer program all you have to do is go down and sign up.

How many members of this group have gone down and picked up a shovel or exercised some of these animals? A big fat Zero!!!!!!

How dare you imply those people don't give a damn when you yourself don't have the guts to put up or shut up.

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Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 7:20pm.

Nice cartoon.

Tony Bowl A Pasta would be proud of you.

 

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Submitted by ProLEO on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 9:07pm.

Truth,I have watched this for a while. I personally have adopted 2 dogs from CCAC and my daughter just got another one a month ago. The people there were great with us and the dogs. I stopped there one day a long time ago just after they had euthenized, I could not go back but I will say it was not a happy time for the employees.They do not enjoy that part of the job and would rather adopt all the animals out. I finally had to put my old friend down that I originally got from them but intercepted another that was headed there. I would recommend to anyone that is looking for a pet to go there first.




Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 9:28pm.

 ProLEO

 Thank you for your contribution and kind words concerning CCAC.

I too have expereinced just what you mentioned.

I have been there in the past and have seen where the people euthanizing was finished for the day and was sitting doing their paperwork in tears. I have spoken to staff and they have told me they have nightmares from time to time. Yet they keep comming back soley out of love for these animals

Anyone, and I mean anyone that doubts what I have been saying should go down there themselves. Don't take my word for it. Don't take the words of those with personal vindictive agenda's. Go down there yourself and see with your own eyes.

Maybe even volunteer and help out if you like. But don't judge these people based on the rantings of the vindictive.

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Submitted by don99977 on Fri, 07/18/2008 - 11:41pm.

Maybe thats why you thinks its so funny Truthhurts,Cookie or who ever you are that works there.Just don't Blog on Clay Co Time




Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 07/19/2008 - 2:45am.

Don

Why don't you bring your Largness down to CCAC and volunteer to shovel feces for 6 to 8 hours. After all you do love and care for those animals right?

My guees is they would be better off without you anyway. You seem to have the personality triat that would cause you to have one of those handy accidents and lawsuits. Besides you don't need to go to CCAC to shovel feces you do just fine here.

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Submitted by SouthernTip on Sat, 07/19/2008 - 7:57am.

I guess you don't understand the animated gif. It refers to you beating a dead horse. You complain and complain and continue your personal rant against CCAC. I finally read back over your past posts (the ones that were readable or coherent) and seem to have a personal agenda against Animal Control. What have they done to make you so angry?? Please fill us in!!

 

SaouthernTip AKA JBOD 




Submitted by lilyslore on Sat, 07/19/2008 - 10:08am.

Southern Tip, this thread is a hoot. In one corner we have Don "Fumblefingers" 99977 who is largely incoherent (yes, I agree wholeheartedly in that assessment) going up against Truthless Whalebottom. Talk about shovelling feces, she is the queen in that department. Absolutley not one single honest bone in her body. It's like trying to decide on betting on the cockaroach or the stink bug .

For what it's worth, I think CCAC does a marvelous job with the resources they have. Every organization may have a weakness or two but these people should not be subjected to the hatred spewed on these blogs. When one points a finger there are three pointing right back at them as my mother used to say.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman




Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 07/19/2008 - 5:04pm.

Lily

Thank you for those sweet remarks towards CCAC. Your such a Dear.

I guess you must have found that speculum and now it's spelunking time. Well that should put a smile on that face. You go girl, your my hero!!!!! 

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