Incompetent Sheriff

Question, Do you have any sources for any of your claims eventhough i know most of it is hogwash?

Anybody can miscnstrue anything for poly. purposes as you have accomplished, so sources i say.....sources.

This is why we need a Grand Jury, so that those who can speak will be protected when they do.

You may think this hogwash but the people who work here know differently.

I know this sounds far fetched but it isn't. If all the public records could be requested(and given) on just the SWAT call-out, the drug with babies deal, the dope dealing deputy, the corrections Sgt on admin leave for three months while they tried to find a charge for him, you would have a better understanding of just how screwed up this place has become.

The Sheriff has lied to the press so many times it isn't funny and no one questions him. He avoids answering questions, deflects blame, and takes responsibility for nothing.

I have dealt with politics my whole career, this isn't about politics it is about the integrity of the CCSO.

I'm sorry, i must be missing something, do you work for the CCSO?

There is a General Order against speaking ill of the Sheriff and agency if you are an employee.That is why most employees will not talk about the way things are.Thus I would be subject to an internal. Would I risk that?

No, but i would also expect an employee to tell the whole truth.........sure we're not missing anything in your broad claims.  If you're in the same photo shot as MagnumForce, why can't you give sources and entirely true facts as he or she does.  It would be much better than to think that fellow bloggers will just believe anything b/c someone within said so.  I'm off to dinner be back in a few hours.

I have heard (I know heard is a very loose term here) from plenty of men and women who wear the uniform that there is alot that the common public does not hear or see. That is why they need a grand jury to investigate the rumors and problems (like we all read in the paper) then there wouldn't be the whispers. Then all of us who aren't sure if it is smoke and mirrors due to election year or if it's true. And I believe one deputy did tell the truth:

 Deputy David Krika, who wrote the information report on Jan. 13, was asked by a supervisor to reclassify the report as a criminal complaint of kidnapping or robbery. He was also asked to show that there was no validity to the allegation, records show. Krika thought the request was improper and he refused.

Fellow bloggers you all have seen and heard employees in the work place who are never happy unless they are stirring up the pot. Guess what? CCSO has them too and they are the same malcontents that beat up on the last Sheriff and the one before him. If the malcontents focused 100 percent on doing their job instead of stirring the pot maybe more crime could solved.

Malcontents, this is one way to look at it. If it doesn’t affect you or your reputation don’t sweat it. Do your job, always be professional, use good ethics and you have up held the oath of office as a Deputy Sheriff and the Constitution. When you stoop to the level of gossiping, telling half truths about incidents and talk negatively about the Sheriff who was elected by the voters to lead the agency you have stooped to the same level you are accusing them of being. No I am not drinking the Kool-Aid, a term used at CCSO to mean that you have sucked up to the Sheriff. I have been around the block a few times and have survived elections by doing my job and minding my business. Do I feel that I have gotten a raw deal a few times at work over the years? You bet but I hold my head up and do my job and get on with life. I have never agreed 100% with any Sheriff on all of their management styles or decisions and probably never will. The bottom line is he is our boss not our pal.

Let's link a few of these for the readers of the blogs:

Baby drug bust and no policy okay smells funny to me:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=64563

Pal not doing good either:

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/051008/nec_277147158.shtml

Prosecutors questioned Sheriff''s Office investigation:

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/040908/met_266541339.shtml

Prosecutors again question actions of the Sheriff's Office:

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/052108/met_281106550.shtml

I could go on there is more!

Was he having a bad hair day? He is not one to shay away from the spot light, easier to release and statement, circle the wagons and hunker down.

209north,

Is that factual or hearsay? Was this in the media or did you hear it hearsay? Back up your statement.

Are you questioning whether the Sheriff refused to go on camera/ it is clearly reported that was indeed the case on the news report. In fact the reporter said that very thing.Him not going on camera is unusual.  He and the S.O. atty must have spent hours putting together that letter criticizing the SAO. It was well worded and would have merit if the WHOLE truth had been told.Someone (in Investigations) decided the case needed "help" and they did a slight manipulation to help the case.  The problem is and was Sheppard is not an idiot and when depositions came around everything fell to pieces.As a side note a civil case has to be coming as the Sheriff said someone made a "mistake" but no one will be disciplined. That is because of who construed the "mistake."  A mistake can not (he thinks) come back on the Sheriff.  Cutting corners and blatantly maipulating cases (Dope Dealing Deputy) will stick to him eventually, IF the news does what they do best...LOOK.

Here's a link to the news report that 209North talks about. If you will review the video the reporter affirms that Sheriff Beseler would not go on camera but released a letter. Fact not hearsay!

http://www.news4jax.com/news/16357235/detail.html

It seems statements have included pejury, obstruction of justice, drugs, DUI, prostitution, and ineffective investigations. Along with untrained personnel. Not in the community but all in the Sheriff's Office. I'm not certain that meets the level of hogwash or malcontent employees. But it would indicate we have problems.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/092305/nec_19835865.shtml

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/100405/met_19942454.shtml

Some of the details are a little off, Krika was asked to change the report AFTER he gave his resignation, making it all the easier to tell them no.  Thank you for pointing out the UCR issues, as I find that concerning because that makes the crime reporting out of Clay sketchy at best.  As for Fox, me being somewhat legally sophisticated, I can tell you that alot of what Fastone has mentioned is public record if you know where to look and who to ask.  It is all there if you really want to find it....

A CCSO employee would have to be crazy to reveal themself and criticize the Sheriff's Office - ask Danny Thomas.

Allowing friends to get two people killed during a SWAT call in Oakleaf;

Allowing babies to be used in the middle of dangerous drug deals;

Allowing the P.A.L. to become almost bankrupt;

Allowing not one but two murder cases to be unprosecuted to wit;

I read all of the stories given thanks to angela, not the person who wrote the blog.  And, i still don't see how one could place all the blame on the sheriff.  Rather a collaboration of failures at times out of the sheriff's control.  Fastone, if you don't like the sheriff's actions, then fine but you derived an entire blog on information provided by the best in the business, Angela, but yet it's info. that could be easily misconstrued to be the fault of one person.  You're very good at being a pessimist, is there any good that you have seen from Beseler while working at the CCSO or are you not allowed to give such information.

Thanks Foxx I would not say I'm the best but I do appreciate the compliment.

Here's a link to the Oakleaf Plantation debacle:

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/101005/met_19988505.shtml

I can name one thing he is good at finding loopholes in the law and benefiting from Double Dipping for him and his friends. That can be researched on the blogs. It was linked and discussed at lenght. However, an accomplishment I don't think he will want to list on his resume.

I would say he is the top law enforcement officer in the County. The buck stops at his desk. I would say he has problems. I would say the people in the community need to be asking some questions. I think there is a lady that goes to the BCC meetings regularly asking the Commissoners to do their job concerning the CCSO. So far it appears we have more failures in the county than just the Sheriff's Office.

As reported in the MCS anyone interested could attend the debate.

By My Clay Sun

Sheriffs debate site moved

The debate between Republican candidates for Clay County sheriff has been moved to a new venue to accommodate a larger audience.

The debate will be at Ridgeview High School, 466 Madison Ave., Orange Park, starting at 7:30 p.m. May 29. Previously, it has been scheduled for Orange Park Town Hall.

For more information call Leslie Dougher (904) 704-5831 or visit www.clayrepublicans.org. The debate will be between the three current active candidates, incumbent Sheriff Rick Beseler and candidates Mike Taylor and Gary Newman.

Team work reflects leadership. and your so called "leadership" in the Clay County Sheriff's Office only cares about himself. Not the citizens or even the own men and women who are working for him. Thats why over 250 deputies and personel at the S.O. have left in the past three years. That is all public informtion all you have to do is go down to the office of the Sheriff and ask to see the statistics. and the deputies know that beseler will throw them under the bus without any problems if they come out against him and many fear for their jobs. I have been around the S.O. for many years and i would be scared for my job too. It takes cohonjes to come out against your boss. One fact that he seems to be proud of his his first few months in office he got rid of the LEADS program. If you didnt know the LEADS program was used by the previous administration  and held the administration, supervisors, deputies and everyone in the sheriff's office responsible for their actions. Thats called Acountability. A few times each month their would be a supervisors meeting and the Sheriff new what was going on, for instance, if it took too long to get to a 911 call, the Sheriff would ask why, and the problem would be fixed.  That is how it was with every problem. The deputy would report to his sergeant, the sergeant would report to his major, the major to his lieutinent, and the lieutinents to the sheriff in the supervisor meetings. Accountability. Beseler got rid of this program which held every deputy and employee accountale for the community. I know that the top people in the S.O. wont tell you how many supervisor meetings they have had in the past for years. But from what i understand you could use one hand to count. And deputies dont know whats going on. The left hand should know what the right hands doing. Beseler doesnt care for anyone. Facts are facts. most all of the information that i have seen in these blogs, i.e.  

Allowing friends to get two people killed during a SWAT call in Oakleaf;

Allowing babies to be used in the middle of dangerous drug deals;

Allowing the P.A.L. to become almost bankrupt;

Allowing not one but two murder cases to be unprosecuted to wit;

  all of these are public information and you should be able to march right into the Office of the Sheriff in Green Cove Springs and ask to see the documentation on each. by the way, it shouldnt surprise anyone that Beseler is now blaming everything on the S.O.A. and refuses to go on camera. Looks like hollywood rick seems it isnt so fun when the tables get turned on him and there is talk of a Grand Jury. whats he scared of? if he doesnt remember the last sheriff was aquitted of any wrong doing. oh yeah thats right. i guess he is worried that the grand jury will find him guilty of corruption.

Fox, you stated that you don't see how these issues are the sheriff's responsibility..I'm lost.  When he hires all his cronies who aren't as experienced as the officers they are to lead - and they do a poor job of leading the officer - it is his responsibility.  When the sheriff has a widely known policy of "Loyalty before compentency" any incompetence in the sheriff's office is the sheriff's responsibilty.  When the SAO states that police misconduct is one of the reasons for dropping the murder charges in the Wierer matter to which Beseler respnds that no one will be punished, all it does is encourage misconduct as there is no consequence - that is the sheriff's responsibility. 

For give me, but I'm gonna throw out the legal jargon.  The law says it is the sheriff's responsibility.  For example, in order to sue an officer for excessive force, wrongful arrest, etc you must show that the officer was following a "practice, custom or policy" during the incident.  I bring that up because failure of the sheriff to discipline staff for their actions is legally considered to be ratification of the decision, therefore constituting a "practice, custom, or policy" opening the SO to liability.  Generally, you can't file suit against an officer without contemporaneously suing the sheriff - so the sheriff is always on the hook as the ultimate policymaker.  Beseler doesn't ounish anyone for changing the report - he has ratified the decision.

And, i still don't see how one could place all the blame on the sheriff.  Rather a collaboration of failures at times out of the sheriff's control. 

Whatever, all the good names taken?  Please refresh my memory of when i stated that, it would be great if you as well could provide a source.

I'm sorry, but what law are you referring to Mr..........oh yeah, Whatever, guess it dosen't matter what i call you.  Source? 

Some more legal jargin, when the SAO drops a case due to a supposed poor investgation, what is the Sheriff to do?  Say, "let us do another one".  Poor police investigation, maybe, Crappy ASA, probably.

To refresh your memory, you said, "read all of the stories given thanks to angela, not the person who wrote the blog.  And, i still don't see how one could place all the blame on the sheriff.  Rather a collaboration of failures at times out of the sheriff's control."

Probably not.  If the sheriff can't control the SHERIFF'S office, then what is he there for?  The lieutenants of the homicide and street crimes (brought in by Beseler) units came to CCSO from game and fish, where I'm sure they encountered a fierce caseload of murderers, drug traffickers and prostitutes.

Perhaps you are uninformed...Sheriff Beseler and his cronies came from the office of the state attorney that you are so quick to criticize.  Further, before a nol prosse (the doc that actually drops the charges) can't be entered in these cases without going by Shorstein.  You keep asking for sources - try public records or the personal experience of those who have posted.

If I didn't know better I'd say you were a name collector for Beseler to send his henchman after.  However, I don't work for CCSO so maybe I'm safe.

For the record, I'm a Ms. and the juvenile attacks on my name come across as desperate.

The hits just keep coming.Some time back someone, may have been me I do not remember but it was predicted that the only way the Rickster could avoid that nasty "cover up" label was to let the Deputy Barber off the hook.  You may remember that Deputy Barber was just about to be the subject of an undercover drug buy, but his good friend the Rickster told him to knock off that type of stuff cause we don't need this kind of bull during an election year.Well, ladies and gentlemen Deputy Barber has returned to duty.   The internal the Sheriff did on himself showed no wrong doing."Loyalty is more important than Competence" will be Rick Beseler's legacy.Try to keep that in mind should you or your loved one become a crime victim.

Well I see the Deputy is back to work, who was on admin leave while an investigation was completed.

http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/

Not sure if I did that correct (link) so please let me know Magnum if you need me to cut and paste the whole story?

From what I have been told this same internal investigator founded a complaint agianst a jail sergeant P. wheaton R.I.P. who was fired but none of the statements from witnesses were consistent. But the sergeant was told by the Sheriff that sometimes in police work you have conflicting statements, they don't always agree, when that happens, you just have to go with your gut.

I guess the Sheriff had an upset stomach that day but not today.

Tums anyone?

How about that?  If you happen to read the SAO disposition memo, the SAO asked FDLE to investigate the CCSO in connection to all this but CCSO told FDLE they could handle it.  In the memo, SAO said they were disappointed with this decision.  Weren't we all.

This close to election time Beseler can't afford any bad press....cause as he says, "You don't want to make them (the press) mad."

You did an outstanding job in your research and proving your source. Now let’s get down to some business.

 Lawmen point fingers as woman's killer goes free,

5/21/08, Florida Times Union, pg A-1.

“Wierer, who police and prosecutors said appeared intoxicated and had scratches on his arms, first claimed self-defense when attacked during an attempted robbery. He then said he shot Johnson as she was crawling away and cowering on the floor, and fired again as she fled outside. A prosecutor on the scene believed enough of the latter story to arrest him on a murder charge.”

 An Assistant State Attorney was on scene and authorized the arrest.

“Another complication arose by mid-summer: Prosecutors had to contend with an autopsy report that they said didn't match Wierer's story about shooting Johnson as she tried to hide or flee. The report showed that Johnson was shot in the front of her body, indicating to prosecutors that she was coming at Wierer."

Most likely the autopsy was preformed the day after the victim died. At that time the Medical Examiner should or may have indicted the trajectory of the bullets. So did it take from January 20, 2008 until just in the last couple of weeks for the Medical Examiner to file his report to the prosecutor or the prosecutor to figure out that he could not prove his case beyond a reasonable doubt and that the self defense claim was valid? I believe the state would have never prosecuted the case to begin with based on the Medical Examiners findings.

Thank you whatever for proving my point as to what i said.  I did not say he is not responsible, i said one can't place all the blame on the sheriff.  But apparently you failed the reading comprehension portion of the FCAT. 

If I didn't know better I'd say you were a name collector for Beseler to send his henchman after.  However, I don't work for CCSO so maybe I'm safe.

Yes, it's all a big conspiracy.  Since you don't know better obviously, i'm twenty and not employed nor affiliated with the sheriff.

Perhaps you are uninformed

And perhaps you're a dingbat, but who knows, we'll just let it flow, ya know, whatever.

For the record, your blog name gives the impression that you don't give a damn, which is why i made reference to such and no i'm not desperate b/c i don't type when i am or i say i'm wrong, try it some time.

According to documents contained within the case file Sheriff Beseler met with Lt. Senters and Captain Hardee to discuss the report being changed.  In Sheriff Beseler's deposition he clearly stated the purpose of their conversation was "that there was some questions being raised as to the tactics and the reasons why UCR coding had been required to have an amended report done."  (when you must change the UCR coding because of a MISTAKE by law enforcement, all you have to do is write a supplemental report reclassifying the MISTAKE.  You don't get a DO OVER and write a new report ignoring the original exists!)

Also in deposition, Sheriff Beseler stated there was no amended report done.  An approved report was changed. (Herein lies the problem ladies and gents)  When asked what he did in response, Sheriff Beseler replied, "I didn't really do anything."  When asked if we will ever know if the allegations were properly investigated, Sheriff Beseler replied, "Probably not."  Sheriff Beseler also stated, "I read the reports, and from what I saw, I was satisfied they did a good job."

A Sheriff would never be subpoenaed to give deposition unless he had relevant testimony.  He obviously had his hands all over this and is DIRECTLY responsible not only for the actions of his people, but his own misdeeds. 

All of this information can be learned by making a public records request to the Sheriff's Office, State Attorney's Office or speaking with a friend of the family to get your own copy of Sheriff Beseler's deposition.  But, I suggest you leave the family alone.  They have been through enough.

Now I am sure we will pay millions to both sides of this debacle.  I don't think we can afford Sheriff Beseler's cheap policing.  Hey Sheriff, how about spending that money you returned on some extra criminal justice classes at St. Johns River Community College.  I hear they have a pretty good criminal justice academy program. 

That case file sounds like some good info is in black and white, I can't wait to read a copy. To bad most of the citizens of Clay County will not know the whole story. This should make the debate very interesting at Ridgeview.

Mr. Foxx:

I took a political science course way back in the day, and seems like I remember that democrat candidates were backed by the unions, and republican candidates were not.

What's with the sheriff's race?  There's this guy Taylor who's backed by 3 unions.  If he's the unions' man, I assume he's a democrat, not a republican.  Elsewise, I can't imagine a republican admitting let alone bragging about being the union man.  And he is definitely bragging about being in the unions' bag with his sign at the corner of 220 and US 17 with the 3 union plastered all over it.

Either way, (but I assume he's a democrat), no matter which party label he's claiming to wear, how's he going to be objective about negotiating with one of the unions who is probably giving him a lot more than just money.....free labor putting up signs, writing nasty blogs and the like.

I'm not Foxx but here is some information for you.

http://www.clayelections.com/CandidatesAndCommittees.htm

A whole lot of what you want to know and some more that you might not.

Mike Heemer