Experience and Obama

  I think the Obama has far surpassed the inexperience issue, and has slammed right into the character, moral value of the man. Why would I vote for a man that hangs out with race baiters and hate mongers. At this point it wouldn’t matter if he had the experience of the wisest man on earth. It is my belief the man is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Have you read the links placed by winn1955 about SOMETHING VERY DISTURBING ABOUT BARACK  just that information alone should be a wake up call for Americans. I definitely agree with Winn, “You are known by the company that you keep”      

Big,

Thanks for the info.  Any time one can put things in perspective, it helps.  I asked the question of the experience of Eisenhower.  There has been the question of whether or not military experience alone should count.  In the case of Ike, I would think that most people would say yes.  but I wonder if they would say the same of Patton or Marshall, especially compared to GWB.

You are right.  It is interesting, to say the least.  Thanks for the research.  JATFUR.

RichK

GW,

Just curious.  If you encountered "the wisest man on earth," your words, not mine, why would you not respect his wisdom?  If you considered him the wisest man on earth, and your views might be different than his,  wouldn't you then have to reconsider the wiseness your views, logically?  As I said, just curious.  JATFUR.

RichK 

Lincoln 2 years in the US House and 8 Years in the State Legislator.  10 Years? 

You never know what kind of a Presdent a person will shape up to be.  It's all about timing and the character of stong leadership. 

I really think we are playing this exp. thing tough.  Does it help, yes, does it matter, no. 

The three most exp. of the 20th century were, G. Bush Senior, LBJ and Taft in that order two were mediocre and one was an absolute failure in that office, taft only winning eight electoral votes in his re-election campign.

Obama lacks the so called proper exp., and don't get me wrong, i'll never vote for him, but he is older than Clinton, T. Roosevelt, Kennedy, and almost as old as Garfield and Pierce.  At their first elections.

Ghost, 

I have read the newsmax link supplied by winn... newsmax is not exactly a neutral observer... I did not view the youtubes....

 I take the verbal rhetoric of preachers with a huge grain of salt. and I mean all preachers... both those on the right and on the left... and for that matter in the middle. I think anybody who has attended a black inner city african american church has probably heard similar rhetoric... same with a middle state fundamentalist christian church. 

Foxx,

I agree with most of what you said, which surprises me a bit :) does experience help yes, does it matter I strongly agree no.   I don't agree that Obama lacks the proper experience... I have seen a couple of character issues that give me some pause, but certainly nothing to do with the preachers. According to what I found, he is squarely in the middle of prior experience...

 Also I'm not sure I agree about Taft, I don't recall seeing much elected experience. Its easy to get through life being appointed to everything, but I'm going on memory so don't hold me to this line of thought...  

From RichK "Just curious.  If you encountered "the wisest man on earth," your words, not mine, why would you not respect his wisdom?

Rich, is it even remotely possible for a "wise" man, never mind the "wisest", to be a racist? Pretty much contradicts itself, doesn't it? Or maybe it's just me. Did I get the question right?

From Foxx:"You never know what kind of a Presdent a person will shape up to be.  It's all about timing and the character of stong leadership."

Foxx, I think I would say, "the job makes the man". I think the experience factor irrelevant because to my way of thinking every president that has risen to the challenge and essentially surprised history has had very unique and extraordinary crises to deal with. But I like the way you think.  

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

You can ponder about wisdom, intelligence, experience and background of all the candidates but sometime you just have to trust your gut instincts. For me, my gut instinct leans toward the Republican candidate and I’ll tell you why. Both Hillary and Obama are lawyers and they are both married to lawyers, McCain is a retired military man who is married to a rich, beautiful woman who made her fortune by distributing all the beer in Arizona. He doesn’t sound too dumb to me.

Lily,

I just went by the parameters stated, "The wisest man on earth." Certain assumptions must be made when a general term such as "the wisest," is stated.  If a person is the wisest, they could not be racist by the very definition of being the wisest.  Being racist in of of itself, is not wise because it excludes any any possible positive attributes based solely on the color of ones skin.  It is tantamount to excluding women solely on the assumed, not proven, factor that they are inferior because they are not male.  JATFUR.

RichK  

Please, oh please tell me that you would not base your decision on the President of the United States based on the sole qualifications that he is a retired military man who married a beautiful woman who is successful at selling beer.  Please tell me it ain't so.  Is this a bad joke?  A cartoon?  Has this country come down to this?  What's next?  A segment on survivor or a talent show?  This country is in enough trouble because of problems with the voting populace.  People in Florida can't seem to handle  a touch screen, a punch system or connect the dots.  They are the laughing stock of the nation & in some cases, the world.  And you're going to introduce the power of selling beer?  Please don't add this to the list.  These types of people really don't need the noteriety or the bad press.

RK  

Solo.....  Lighten up, will ya.  Take a joke as just a bit of levity.  Don't get yourself in an uproar, you may blow a gasket.  I didn't know every word in these blogs was supposed to be a profound statement.  If you thought I was serious your sense of humor must be non-existent.

RK If I encountered the wisest man on earth why would I not respect his wisdom. I could get all philosophical, and wordy, but I will try and make my point as simple as I can.        (only because I’m tired and want to make this short) Ok hear is how I equate wisdom in humans, Hitler was a wise man, he dam near took over the world, would, or should I give him respect because he is wise, I think not. Wisdom can be used for good, or evil, and anything in between. Knowledge is power. To me what matters in a man is, his Honesty, integrity, the values that he holds and if the person can show compassion to those in need. In other words his Character is what counts. And with Obama my gut tells me beware.

Bgmmig999 News max my not be the most neutral, but the links from youtube that winn posted comes from the mouth of Obama, it’s worth watching.       

GW,

You bring good points.  But as I told Lily, I was only going on the info you provided so certain assumptions must be made.

I agree with you on your expanded view on a wise man, but only to a point.  I don't think Hitler was all that wise, in the general sense.  If you put the meaning of wise in a general sense, I think you're right.  But should being wise include the quality of character?  Like you, I think it should. Like you, I'm keeping a sceptical eye on Obama.  For that matter, the same goes for McCain & Hillary, although, listening to the so called experts, it looks like she doesn't have any real chances.

We've covered this before.  In fact sometime last year, Lily had a great blog on the voting public usually having to pick the lesser of two evils.  Methinks, or should that be, I thinks, we are going to face that situation again.  I guess it could be worse.  This could be a pure democracy.  OY!  What a pain that would be.  JATFUR.

RichK

  Rk The wisest man on earth is not very descriptive in and of itself, the only thing a person could do to comment on it further would be make an assumption. But I only used it to express my feelings while making a point. Instead of commenting on Obama, which was the main point of the blog, you chose to comment on an expression, nothing wrong with that it’s just that I have never heard a descriptive opinion from you about Obama on the many things posted about him, just wondering.

  Again Hitler was mentioned to express a point on a topic. You got to admit Hitler had a plan that many followed. Was he not Wise, It’s the way he used his wisdom that made the difference. As far as picking the lesser of two evils, that has been my way of looking at it until a bloger brought up a good point, vote by looking at the most positives. And by using that rational, so far McCain has the most positive. Do I like him, not that much, I disagree with him on several point. So I have to say in my eyes view he is the one with the most positive aspects to be our next president.    

GW,

I went back and viewed the youtube videos upon your recommendation. Having seen them I will say this:

I would no more condemn the character of Obama because of the often lunatic ramblings of Wright, than I would condemn the character of McCain because of the often lunatic ramblings of Hagee, Falwell, Robertson or the newest one whose name I cannot remember.

re the video... near the end of the first one it has Obama dressed up as Osama bin Laden. That is purely reprehensible.. and didn't even have a thing to do with the subject.  Just a quick bit of muslim hate thrown in for absolutely no reason.

In the second video, I'm supposed to think less of Obama's character because his church gave some award to Farrakhan. I don't see what that has to do with Obama at all, unless maybe you can show that Obama endorsed or approved that choice for an award.

Neither video had an impact on my assessment of Obama's "character"

 In my mind.... the preachers of the left and right are operating in theater.... Its all just one more big show and the more outrageous the better.

McCain and Obama are operating in the political world.. which is why McCain will seek the endorsments of Hagee, Falwell and Robertson even though he has personally denigrated them in the past. He wants the votes. Same reason why, until Wright went completely wacko, Obama was sticking with Wright.

GW,

You are correct in the fact that I have not commented much on Obama.  I've been following him as best as I can & if I were living back home in Chicago, I'd probably be following him more closely.  What was it, 15 or 16 months ago when this campaign/circus started rolling, our blogohood started discussions.  I stated that, not knowing much @ him, at that point, I would question his experience.  Let's face it, most of us have had at least a general knowlege of McCain & Clinton.  But Obama was pretty much the new kid on the block.

I get the Chicago Sun Times every day on line along with updates from the Chicago Tribune in addition to every other news source.  With the question of his relationship with Wright aside, (And after I finish what's on my reading table currently, I'm going to do some reading on Black political thinking to see where he was coming from) I think he is a highly intelligent, articulate person who cares deeply about the course & welfare of this country.  Would I still like to see him get more experience & come back in 2012?  Yes.  Do I think he'd make a good president?  Probably.  The only way we'll know for sure is to see what happens in November.

On Hitler.  Part of that is a question I've asked often.  Who's the bigger fool?  The fool or the fool who follows the fool?  It's a bit simplistic, but applicable.  There were so many factors.  the Treaty of Versailles, the general economy, the Depression, German pride of nationality, to name a few.  Hey, that's for a professional historian.  He was wise in the fact that he knew how to manipulate people at the right time & right place.  He also knew how to gather more & more power unto himself.

While agreeing with the lesser of two evils concept, I also have stated that I agree with focusing on the positives with the caveat of not ignoring the negatives.

Getting near lunch time & my jaw is telling me to get a pill for pain.  Hope this helped.  JATFUR.

RichK

GW: "Hitler was a wise man, he dam near took over the world"

I must differ here. Hitler was not "wise". He was an opportunist and he was singleminded. Yes, he did nearly take over the world but that only makes him a very successful bully. Sophocles was a wise man. I understand what you are attempting to say but your analogy is flawed.

Using this analogy with Obama is not fair. Yes, Obama is flawed, but so are most leaders, whether politcal, corporate or whatever. It is part of the Human Condition. Being wise allows one to separate doing things well for oneself versus doing things for the betterment of the species. You wouldn't look to Ken Lay or Jeffrey Skilling to do anything for their neighbors but you would get a whole lot of cooperation out of, say, Gandi.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

He who knows best knows how little he knows. tj

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