Racism today, And The double standard..

Racism today, and the double standard between Whites and Blacks. I can only speak from my own experiences on the topic. The vast majority of my friends and family do not dislike Blacks because of the color of their skin; they dislike them because of their actions and attitudes towards whites, and the double standards that are blatantly obvious between the two, and no one wants to address the issue, or are afraid to bring it up.

In my experience it has been at least a decade or more since I have heard anyone that I know call a black man a Nigger. As you can see I am not going to write this as every other White person does today and be politically correct, by saying the N- word. That’s part of the problem also. A word is a words, is a word, it is the context the word is used in that matters. Baxley you are right about Baracks speech on racism it would be a very enlightening dialog if it weren’t swept back under the rug.

As Barack stated when the different races go back too there perspective homes they speak with a different attitude towards one another. And as I stated at the beginning of this blog I can tell you what we talk about. We talk about how Chris rock can call a white person anything he wants to and refer to Blacks as Niggers and he suffers no repercussions, but if Don Imus makes a comment about a nappy headed Ho he gets crucified and looses his job.

 

 

A preacher can spew racist remarks, and hatred towards America, and Whites, and we talk about all the good he has done in his community. Nothing is ever mentioned about all that charities, and support Don Imus has given many communities in this country. We talk about what would be said if we tried to start a television station called, White Entertainment television. We talk about what would be said, and how we would be crucified if a white would start the United Caucasian College Fund. We talk about how Al Sharpton, and Jessie Jackson are still part of the problem by still being stuck back in the 60s, instead of dealing with the real issues facing black America today. We talk about why we always have to mention when it is the first time a Black person has accomplished something, (i.e.) the first Black man to go to the Supper Bowl, the first Black Governor of a state. 

 

 

 

Blacks call foul because there are many more Blacks in the prison system than Whites. Maybe it’s not racism, maybe it is because many more blacks choose the life of crime by going after the easy money instead of getting their education and making a life for them self other than crime. Maybe they can’t find work because many don’t seem to be able to speak proper English. Maybe it is because many blacks still sit around complaining how Whitey keeps them repressed from having the same opportunities as whites.                  

It seems that black society still holds resentment and grudges toward white society. Maybe it is because the parents, grandparents and churches still teach their children hate by reminding them how their ancestors were held as slaves by the whites, and all of the cruel treatment they had to suffer, and how they are still repressed by Whites to this day. It has been one hundred and forty years since a Black man has had to suffer from slavery in this country. The civil rights of Blacks were not fully restored until the 1964 civil rights act, that was forty four years ago. It is a good thing to teach history on any subject, but it is wrong to teach hate on something that has happened so long ago.

 

 

How can society change by doing so? Maybe one can teach the history of slavery, and how your ancestors suffered form it; but also teach the blessing that you have today. As horrible as of slavery is, and the price your ancestors paid, and suffered from it, If it weren’t for your brothers in Africa capturing you and bringing you too the ports to be loaded on slave ships bound for the four corners of the earth, you would not be living in the greatest country on earth.       

 

 

Now before anyone goes off, I know that there are white people that still despise Blacks because of the color of there skin.  Is it truly the norm for black churches to spew the racist comments and hatred towards white America, as Reverend write has in his church? I hope not, it makes me want to sit in a black church to find out. I know the churches that I have attended welcome Blacks to church as any other person, no matter what race they are. We all have the same opportunities presented to us in this country, it is what we do with them that matters. It is our choice to use them or abuse them.  

 

I am the GhostWriter Cool




Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 9:22am.

Hate speech is hate speech no matter which side of the fence you stand.

If someone does you wrong or hurts you, it's the individual that hurt you that has commited the wrong doing, not the persons race.

The only way we can overcome these problems is when all hate speech from all peoples across the board, is no longer tolerated.

TRUTHHURTS




Submitted by SoloVoce on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 9:29am.

TH,

Who will be designated to declare something as "hate speech?"  How will it be objectively defined?  What criteria will be used?  Who will determine what the criteria will be?  How will we reconcile the determinations with the First Amendment?  JATFUR.

RichK




Submitted by Marsha on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 11:56am.

Well written blog Ghostwriter, so close to my own thoughts it's a little scary.  I have had personal experience with this double standard on more then one occassion.

I was once a Civil Servant in what was the Coast Guards 3rd District Naval Engineering Division for the Atlantic Fleet.  There were three Branches within that Division and I worked for the Captain in the Branch where all the Engineers were who kept the fleet operational.  Every day we would receive reports called "CSMPs" which dealt with things that would break on the ships, and they were prioritized into a maintenance schedule.

There was a young black woman that came to work several months after I had in the same office and then about a year after that when I was expecting my second child they created a temporary position for while I would be out on Maternity leave.  Once the second woman arrived (she was also black) the demeanor of the first one changed.  Before long they had created their own little guild of racist behavior.  Anything they wanted and couldn't get it was because they were black.  A white LTCDR who was in the same physical office as we were liked to keep the room cold while they preferred a warmer temperature.  That struggle became a rascist one, "he keeps it cold in here because we like it warm and he hates black people" 

While I was out on maternity leave things got much worse.  When I got back I gradually realized these two women were endangering our fleet.  There were certain Engineers they didn't like and they would trash their reports, their corresponsdence to the field, their leave and even their travel checks.  It took me awhile but after about 60 days I had proof of what they were doing, even emails on goverment computers where they would talk to each other about their covert plans.  When I went to the white Command which consisted of high ranking Officers what did they do?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...they were afraid to, afraid something would backfire because the women were black and they were concerned with their own careers, not the welfare of our men and women in the Atlantic Fleet. My life at that point became a living nightmare from the threats and harrassment of these two women.

I didn't back down and created a stir that went clear to Washington. It took a suit filed by me on reverse discrimination which went to Headquarters to get anything done.  Did the women lose their jobs?  They sure didn't, had they been white they would have.  They were merely moved to less sensitive posistions at their current pay rather then the lower pay designated for the job. The only thing that came out of that was I forced them to create a new posistion for me in the Admin Branch because I was now the target of these two womens little race war.  They changed the delivery system for all vital information to me in the Admin Branch and I was designated as the single civilian liason to the Admirals Office so they at least had no more access to cause damage. 

This is just one personal experience, I've actually had a couple more but they would take too long to write about.  I think it's time for people to be people first, not their race, not their nationality.  If you act like a human being then I will treat you like a human being.  If you wear your race on your sleeve then that is what I will see, your race, not your humanity.  There are a great many people I admire and have been friends with that aren't white and if you looked at their lives on paper you could never guess what their race is and that is how it should be. 




Submitted by GhostWriter on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 4:59pm.

Marsha I have so many similar stories that I could share also. I hear so many that express the same thoughts and feelings that I have expressed in my blog. I have never had the opportunity to sit down with any blacks to find out how they would view my opinion on the matter. I would truly enjoy the opportunity to do so. To here the other side of the conflict with a rational discussion on the matter would most certainly give me a better perspective on the issue of race.

I get so sick of hearing all the whites tip toeing around the issues trying to be politically correct, by trying not to offend anyone. How can any of this be changed if we don’t discuses the real issues that seem to be on the minds of both races? I like you, have met, and know many Blacks that I admire. One day I was wondering why I admired these people so much, and then it dawned on me. I admire them more because they have taken the same opportunities that we all have and done something with it, instead of sitting around whining and crying how bad their lives are because they are repressed by the whites, and are at a disadvantage over others.

Please If I’m wrong someone step in here and correct me. When I wrote this blog I was truly hoping to open a dialog with a black person that I could debate these issues with. I truly would like to here their opinion and why they feel as they do. Gee! Who knows maybe the paper could find the nads to put this in print, and ask the tough questions as I have. I know; I know they would have to revert back to the N-word. Surely white society’s paper couldn’t say the word Nigger. That word is strictly reserved for Blacks… Actually I would not be surprised in the least that they don’t pull this blog because of the use of the word, Or at least replace it with the N-word.  

 I am the Ghostwriter      

 




Submitted by Baxley on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 8:07pm.

Ghostwriter,

Hopefully your blog will continue to generate more conversation about a tough-to-dicuss issue.  You are right that many whites are scared to discuss this issue in the open for fear of being labeled a racist if their words aren't politically correct.

A great commentator who happened to be a black preacher was on CNN (I missed his name) and he said that there are 2 types of blacks when it comes to dealing with whites.  Bargainers and Challengers.  Bargainers give whites the benefit of the doubt when it comes to race, and they assume the white is not a racist, and both parties give each other mutual respect and have a normal relationship.  Whereas the Challengers immediately mistrust the white, assuming automatically that they are racist, and can not be trusted, etc.  This commentator said Rev. Wright is a Challenger, while Obama is a Bargainer.  Obviously, the first thing both blacks and whites have to do is give each other the benefit of the doubt, accept the fact that our, America's, history of race relations has a horrible skeleton in the closet called slavery.  It happened.  A really LONG time ago.  Saying, "Get over it," is not the answer, but beating whites (who had NOTHING to do with it) over the head with it today is senseless.

Somehow, someway, we - the United States of America - black and white, have got to shed this shackle.  I think it is headed in the right direction, but both sides have a lot of soul searching to do, and a lot of baggage to learn to leave behind.

I wish there was some sort of National Day of Reckoning that would give us all a chance to bare our souls to each other, apologize and forgive, and move on.  A racial excorcism of sorts.

But, if you watch some of the talking heads on TV (not all), it's all about demagoguery.  Stick a stick in the hornets nest, stir it around real good, and then sit back with a puffed out chest and self-important smirk.  Blacks & whites.  Sharpton, Jackson, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly and other less known, but just as hot headed mouth pieces.

As for me, I try to start with giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, until they prove me wrong.  I try not to use skin color as a descriptor.  I try not to harbor harsh sterotypes in my heart.  Try.

If nothing else, those of us writing and reading are sharing with each other.  It would be nice if we could get both sides of the issue discussed.




Submitted by TruthHurts on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 8:50pm.

I have done much traveling in my life and have met and befriended many people, of many races, and religions. The common denominator I personally have observed is when you come correct with people you are greeted and accepted correctly.

A good example of this is the fact that I love jazz and blues music. At times the best places for me to enjoy some really great music live was to go to local clubs. In some of the areas across the land the best place to find it was going into the black community and entering a club that was all black. The key here is, I have no preconceptions of black folks, I do not fear them. I do not place any stigmas on the race as a people. In my mind and heart it is a group of people that has much to offer and contribute to our nation. When I enter these clubs I find even though I am the only white person in their club I am accepted.. The reason for this in my opinion is because I come correct. The folks see I love the music, I am respectful , and I am confident that we will all have a great time. As a matter of fact many times I have noticed I get special interest paid to me where folks come up to me and we talk about how great is this music. They respect the fact that I have come to join them in their world, with no bias, and a willingness to be open and honest with them.

Unfortunately there are still many people of all races that maintain preconceived notions about other races. Maybe they had a bad experience with a certain race and because of that they formed an opinion incorrectly out of fear. Maybe they had preconceptions drilled into their minds at an early age and had a bad experience reinforce what has been taught to them. Maybe they just never put themselves out there and investigated it for themselves, or have had a very sheltered life.

The Point I am getting at is it all boils down to the individual experience. That fact is race hate is evident in all races For Example in Ms Marsha’s experience if the black lady was taught to be skeptical or fear white people then placed in an environment with all white folks you would expect this lady to be uncomfortable and keep to herself.. When the other black lady came on board she felt a common bond and security with her. If the roles were reversed, with all black folks and only one white lady, that had bad experiences you would observe the same behavior.

I deal with hatred towards races in a simple way. When I hear hate speech the conversation is over and I simply walk away. I have tried to fight those battles in the past and attempted to educate folks as to why it’s wrong and it’s a battle you just can’t win.

The Problem will never be solved until we as a people have evolved enough to realize that if you form an opinion of someone as an individual, it’s that individual that owns that opinion you formed, not the entire race.

Ask yourself if you were a Jew, how would you feel if your neighbor had a Nazi flag flying in his yard? If you were black how would you feel if your neighbor was flying a confederate flag? How many of the white bloggers here, I wonder, have gone to an all black community and walked into a nightclub?

Ignorance, fear, and preconceived notions about people as a group is what is driving the problems. As we as a people evolve, it is my hope that when hate speech comes from anyone, on any side of the fence. The conversation stops, and they walk away. If they want to spew hate speech let them do so with like minded people. Their numbers will grow smaller as we evolve, and the court of public opinion will eventually close them down.

 

TRUTHHURTS




Submitted by Sunflower on Fri, 03/21/2008 - 11:38pm.

Truth - your statements signify 'them".  TH, I think you have good intentions, but you don't realize how you come across to those of us who actually have been in the shoes of racism. Listen to yourself!  While attempting to be open minded you are actually insulting. I think you didn't mean to do that.  You speak as if you are a different "people".  You didn't enter a circus, you went to a jazz hall. 

TruthHurts writes:  "I do not fear them. I do not place any stigmas on the race as a people. In my mind and heart it is a group of people that has much to offer and contribute to our nation. When I enter these clubs I find even though I am the only white person in their club I am accepted. The reason for this in my opinion is because I come correct. The folks see I love the music, I am respectful, and I am confident that we will all have a great time.  As a matter of fact many times I have noticed I get special interest paid to me where folks come up to me and we talk about how great is this music. They respect the fact that I have come to join them in their world, with no bias, and a willingness to be open and honest with them

I think you mean well, Truth, but I don't believe you have any idea how condescending your comments on this blog are to the people who are not of your ilk.

I guess my point is that until we can stop referring to "us and them" no matter whether it be race, gender, we are all here on this planet earth to do the best we can and that includes acceptance.

Peace,
JudyB




Submitted by TruthHurts on Sat, 03/22/2008 - 8:17am.

Sunflower

You assume I have never expereinced any form of racism. Your assumption is wrong. As a matter of fact I stated in a seprerate thread that I was married to a person who was African American. I have expereinced racism all my life. I have also learned you do not blame a race of people for the faults of the few.

I think you missed the whole point of what I was explaining, by over analyzing my verbage, searching for anything you can find to rebut.

My usage of the word "them" is merely being used as a verb, nothing more, nothing less. My usage of "group of people" I find no problems with either, I was merely pointing out as a collective body, the African American race, this group, demographic, sector of the population, whichever you prefer, has contributed much to our nation.

I do find it intersting that you make no comments about the actual message I was putting out there, other then calling them condesending. I am sorry you feel that way, it was not my intension. I was merely expressing my opinion as others had.

Seeing you find my remarks condesending I will remove myself from this thread and I will not discuss the matter further. I will simply walk away.

TRUTHHURTS




Submitted by Sunflower on Sat, 03/22/2008 - 10:18am.

Truth - you're correct - I did overlook your point and I should not have been so critical of your verbiage.  My apologies to you.  I'll try not to let that happen again. 

JudyB




Submitted by GhostWriter on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 12:36am.

 TH, Sunflower, and my fellow Bloggers The subject of racism is an emotional one, to say the least. This is the type of dialog that we need to engage in; as long as we keep it to constructive criticism. Everyone is going to express their Opinion, and feeling on the topic in a different manner. Let’s all take a deep breath, and try and be patient and courteous while others express their opinions and feeling on the topic of racism, and the double standard In America.

 

T.H. please don’t walk away, here lies the problem today we tend to let our emotions override our intellect.  We are all adults on this site, so lets try and stay on topic and try and understand the others point of view. If you do not agree with one another that’s Ok. Ask questions as to why the others feel as they do. With the written word it is harder to grasp the person’s actual emotions on any given topic. I don’t think Sunflower meant any harm with her comments, I think she was responding to your written word as she understood them.     

 

All of us have been touched by racism in one way or another in our lifetime. Accept others feelings and opinions as their own, because they are. Just because you do not agree, does not make the others feelings wrong. It is just how they feel. Realize that something in their life has given them the feelings that they are trying to share with us. If we are ever going to gain knowledge from others we must remain respectful of one another. Please do not judge others for their comments as long as they are not an attack we should be able to handle the adversity that will surely show.  The debates will get heated at times, and that’s, Ok.  

 

TH   Let me make some comments about your message that you were trying to express. I think you might want to go back and read Marshes Thread a second time, you said; “if the black lady was taught to be skeptical or fear white people then placed in an environment with all white folks you would expect this lady to be uncomfortable and keep to herself When the other black lady came on board she felt a common bond and security with her. If the roles were reversed, with all black folks and only one white lady, that had bad experiences you would observe the same behavior” 

 

 I totally disagree with you , the ladies didn’t just form a common bound; they conspired against the other personnel in the office. When something didn’t go their way, they do as so many other Blacks do, that I have personally witnessed my self many times, they pulled the race card.  Now on top of that Marsha took her evidence to her command and they did nothing to confront the situation out of fear of reprisal from his own command for trying to reprimand a black person that was conspiring against his staff. It was just easier to look the other way. As I said at the beginning of this blog, I can only speak from my own experiences. I have seen this happen many, many times in my life, and it really ticks me off when I see it happen. This is something that whites deal with all the time, and it creates anger, and resentment towards Blacks. 

 

 Marsha I have wanted to write a blog on this for some time. I know that many whites feel as I do. I would truly hope that we can all learn something from it, on all sides of the issue.

Baxley In my opinion this politically correct Bull Has virtually ruined this country in so many ways; it is hard to fathom the damage done.  Kids can’t even pick sides at school anymore while playing; in fear someone will get left out, and get their feeling hurt. It truly disgust me to the bone.

 

Bargaining works, sometimes just giving a little benefit of the doubt will show who the real person is. Your right just saying get over it will not work; it hasn’t done so in a hundred and forty years. Leaving your baggage behind, opening up a dialog, and acceptance of one another’s diversities could be a start. It needs to come from some of the leaders in this country, or a grass root effort made by a diverse group that isn’t afraid to speak their mind on issues with out being accusatory in their comments. Forgive, yes, apologize, I’m not to sure, for what? Idid nothing wrong, our ancestors did.

 

Demagoguery without substance is meaningless. If we could just get past our fear of one another and open a true non accusatory dialog we just might have a chance for change. 

 

One man alone; is but an Island to himself. The waves erode the beach until fear takes over the heart of the palms.                For I am the GhostWriter  




Submitted by freespeech on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 4:12pm.

Barack Obama's church affiliation has been under public scrutiny the past few weeks. A Christian church, he proudly proclaims. Great people should have a faith to ground them in their thinking, to guide their morals, and foster their ideals.

Except in this case, his church only admits blacks to become members of the congregation.
You see, it is a black church. It supports and promotes, he claims, black values, black society, and black progress.

This sounds unbelievable. I cannot even imagine the furor that would erupt if any white candidate (for any office) announced that they were Christian, but attended a church closed to blacks.
But I must also admit that I am baffled at how exclusionary groups like the Black NCO clubs can exist in the armed forces. How the Black Police Officers Association can be allowable. Or the Congressional Black Caucus  Racism has and IS being used as a political tool. Oddly enough, it is being held out an example of the evil the liberals are trying to defeat.
So how come this liberal (Obama) is safe even though he engages in exclusionary practices?
Before you get excited, this is not about being Baptist. Or Methodist, Or Catholic; this is about why it is OK for one group to be segregationists, but not another. I for one am sick and tired of double standards.

For instance, if the "N" word is so despicable and deplorable, then why is it not universally condemned in both black and white society? Yet we all know who can and who cannot get away with using the "N" word.
If discrimination is also so deplorable and condemned, then why do we allow IT to go on anywhere? Certain groups of people want to have their cake and eat it too: they want equality. They want fairness. They want the same things as everyone else. But at the same time they want special considerations, Special rules, and Special treatment.

That is NOT equality; that is NOT fairness. This system is a disgrace and we all know it. I am done with Political Correctness; Right is right and wrong is wrong.
This is clearly wrong. It is not the N-word! The word is Nigger, and I am tired of tip toeing Around life trying not to offend anyone, less I be called a racist Obama should condemn the 'blacks only' policy of his church.
Don't count on him doing so, we now that will never happen




Submitted by Marsha on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 4:39pm.

Freespeech,

Did you read that in the news or see it on tv?  Has Obama himself or the Pastor been quoted saying this? 

I don't care what the denomination is, any "Church" that does not openly welcome ALL of Gods Children into Gods House is not a Church in my opinion.  

If true...unbelievable.   

 




Submitted by finder on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 5:09pm.

Marsha;

Are you saying that some of these fine Southern Baptist, Church of Christ, Church of God, Assembly of God and many of the other 'Evangelicals' that won't let gays through the front (or even side) door are not Churches?

Surly you aren't implying that these fine Christians that want to make sure that those abominations of society can't get married or have anything that even resembles marriage are not Churches?

You better be careful there girl, they'll be making you go to some special training just make sure your mind is right or telling you to stay home because you just don't fit in.

Mike Heemer




Submitted by Marsha on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 6:08pm.

Yes, I meant exactly what I said, ALL Gods Children should be welcome in HIS house.  I'm not getting into the whole gay marriage thing because it's a seperate issue to me.

We're talking about people being welcome in a Church, and the Gay Community should be welcome as well.  It is man that puts a degree of offense to sin.  Aside from the Ten Commandments I believe God sees all sin the same way, one is no worse then the other.  If you have hardened one heart against the Lord then you have sinned.  We are instructed to not be a "stumbling block" to anyone.   

Show me a Church that turns people away and I will show you a building full of sinners who has no right to keep anyone from coming to the Father in HIS house.  It's that whole "let ye who is without sin cast the first stone" thing. 

Organized religion doesn't like me already Mike, because I don't buy into the doctrines of any denomination.  

 

 




Submitted by finder on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 6:28pm.

Marsha;

Thanks! I knew from previous posts that if you decided to respond that this was pretty much the response I was going to get from you. I wasn't trying to 'bait' you. It was just an opportunity that presented itself and I felt obligated to take it.

I understand about 'Organized Religion'. Back before I was a 'back slider' I was a Southern Baptist. One of my favorite preachers used to say quite often that there would be enough Southern Baptists in Hell to start their own convention.

The longer I'm alive the more I believe it. Of course you could substitute darn near any name in there and I'm pretty sure it would still be true. 

Mike Heemer




Submitted by Foxx on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 6:33pm.

1 Corinthians 6:9, Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of Go? Do not be decieved, neither the sexually immoral nor the idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.

Now, these individuals are no different from me, they're sinners and should be allowed into the church as long as the same commitment is made to srtive to be more like Christ.  The doors should never be closed but if people come to a church with people who subscribe to these beliefs of the bible with no intentions of change, they won't be around long anyways.  I say that b/c many not all but many attend church for the right reasoning at least the church i attend and people of the above nature which as you stated all sin is the same in the eyes of God, however, come in with no intentions of following the bible usually don't make it in church regardless.




Submitted by lilyslore on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 7:47pm.

Foxx, you have pretty much summed up my argument for not joining any organized religion. I am agnostic and would be absolutley thrilled to find there is a higher power than ourselves, but I am also positive no religion or church has actually identified what that power is or what it wants. I find it just as likely the Norse, Greek, Egyptian and Roman deity structure are equally as right. After all, Michelangelo used Zeus as the model for God ain the Sistene Chapel.  And what you point out regarding the overall fallacies of those who preach exclusion is very important in the arena of ideas. Those who would snub any human being are not behaving in a moral manner any more than the "condemned" are. As an aside, I was thumbing through the old testament and read a passage wherein it is plain to me that God has no problem with slavery. It is not a sin there. Now, I know soeone will want me to produce it. If I come across it again I will but it was a random happenstance as I was looking for something else at the time.

As for joining any church, group or organization, the great Groucho Marx once observed (and has been used here previously) "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member."

Lily's Lore

 "Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." Groucho Marx




Submitted by freespeech on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 8:05pm.

I’m bad; they didn’t come right out and state that they only accept Blacks in their congregation, as Members. I read between the lines and posted my opinion as fact. Won’t happen again, the following is from their web site

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.

God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

  1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
  2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
  3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
  4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
  5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
  6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
  7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
  8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
  9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
  10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.  

  Why would I want Obama for a president if his allegiance is too his mother land Africa. To scary for me to comprehend, the pastor also states that Jesus was a Black man. I could be wrong, but didn’t the Bible state that Jesus was Jew??  




Submitted by Foxx on Mon, 03/24/2008 - 10:40pm.

Lily,  Sorry not too up to date on religous denominations (i guess), what exactly is an agnostic? 

I don;t really know how to approach you power problem, other than that it's all about your faith, not your pastor's faith or his opinion, what you put your faith into, hopefully thats not too condescending.

There is a certain amount of animosity toward certain past sins, suchas homosexuality, sexual offenders, you know they're a part of the church but sometimes looked down upon by certain people who think of themselves to be perfect.  The church at times contradicts itself, preaching forgiveness through Christ, however, often times not being able to give forgiveness themselves.  I'm not tying to bomb the church, i'm in attendance, there is much good that comes from the church, but it's always sad to hear when the church opens their doors to certain people but then closes all other doors once that person is inside.

Slavery, correct not a single passage stating that slavery was a sin, however, some references suchas moses bringing God's children out of bondage that it may not have been approved of when slavery violated other parts of the bible.  Now from what finder has said he has read the bible twice if i'm correct so he might be the one to talk to about that.  

I don't even know how to address the marx excerpt.  




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Submitted by Baxley on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:17pm.

Freespeech, I pretty much agree with everything you have written, but I do take exception to the use of the 'N' word, even in written form.

"Freespeech" tells me all I need to know about how you feel about being able to say whatever you want. Cool.  But, I think sometimes it is best to excercise some discipline with word choice.  The double standard is so apparent with this issue as to who can say it and get away with it, and who may  lose a career over the use of it.  Still, no one should say it, and the fact that some insist on shocking with its use, doesn't mean you/I/we should stoop to that level.

There is so much hate and anger associated with the word, especially if a white person uses it directed towards a black person.  My guess is blacks who insist on throwing it around do so to flaunt the shock value of the word, and the double standard.  Why blacks would use it amongst themselves is beyond my feeble pop-psychology.

It is verboten in my home, and my wife has actually made one guy leave the premises for his insistence on demonstrating his racism.

A very good friend of mine for over 25 years used to let it slip from his lips occasionally, and didn't like the double standard aspect of it.  That is until his daughter had a child with a black man.  Suddenly, after his granddaughter arrived, he was no longer tolerant of the word.

No matter what, using the word does not help us move past racism.  By either whites or blacks.  It's just a bad word.  A really bad word.

Fight racism.




Submitted by TruthHurts on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:28pm.

Thank you very much for that

My spouse is African American, I commend you for being the only one to do this.

I was wondering how long it would take for the good folks on the MCS blogs to address this, I was begining to think never.

 

TRUTHHURTS




Submitted by Baxley on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 9:21pm.

Back at ya'.




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