sick of MCS blog topics!

Well, aside from the Republican and Democrat aspirants to the presidency, now Islander is weighing in as the 21st century revival of Joseph Pujol.

Well done Islander.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Islander if we all make you so sick then why do you keep coming back?  I will tell you why because you are one of those people who finds it real easy to be mean and spiteful hiding behind a user name on a computer.  We're your own personal little whipping post when you fall off your wagon or whatever else your problem may be because this is certainly not normal or healthy behavior for a mature adult.  You're friendly one day and mean as a snake the next.

Who are you to call anyone a phoney?  How would you know? Do you have any clue about anyones personal life or the adversity anyone of us may be suffering from?  Odds are you really don't care, this is just a place where you can come and freely abuse people whenever the mood strikes you.

I've taken a look at some of your own blogs, you wrote a blog about sign regulations.......you're right.......THAT IS RIGHT UP THERE WITH WORLD PEACE!  You've blogged about goverment, taxes, politicians.......you loved dishing about Scooter.  Can we say hypocrite?  You've written maybe four-six blogs in nearly a year, at least two of them are the very things you're complaining about.  One of them was to make fun of all your neighbors, and one was to make fun of the bloggers. Now that was really something worth blogging about, making fun of other people.   I was raised to believe it's tacky to try to get a laugh at the expense of someone else, yet I didn't criticize or judge you.  

I'm well aware of how middle America lives, I was born and raised in it and obviously were taught better manners then you were.  You can't buy class.

One day this blog is meaningless, the next day it's supposed to be solving world problems.

You need to learn some tolerance Cupcake, or just exercise your freedom to stay away.  The only ass I see in this blog is the one you made of yourself.  

I agree that the US dollar is very well declined on the world market.  I remember as a child in civics class that it was the money of the world.  It took a ton of everyone else's money to make a buck of ours. 

That's where my agreeing ends.

 Now that I have kids and am looking to the next generation I wonder what I might have to leave them.  Comparing todays dollar to the future's. 

 I'm also looking to go to England next year and wonder how much it's really gonna cost me.  Dollars to dimes that is. 

But that's about the only thing I agree with you on.

 I grew up on baseball.  I could never figure out why anyone would want to hit a ball around some land with a skinny stick while having an alligator sown to their shirt. (Showing my age a little?)

So no, I'm not a golfer either.  The thought of the game drives me crazy.  But I respect those who take pleasure in it and don't interfere with them.  If that's what they enjoy, more power to them. 

While I might like some of the topics, such as all the sports news, I accept it as part of the blogs.  I'm not into sports so I move past them without reading them.  Unless the Blue Devils Wrestling Team is whomping somebody.  Still got to have a little home town pride.

Lilyslore is a mystery to me.  She's obviously pretty smart and up on politics, but I hate politics and don't have a clue as to what she is talking about.

 You also got Marsha on your butt.  While I don't know her, her blogs have always been a straight forward opinion straight from the heart and I mostly agree with her.  esecially when it comes to bad behavior in a public forum. 

 If her avatar is of her, and I'm sure it is, Marsha is a beautiful lady of intellect, beauty and character.  Someone who deserves respect. 

 She's a real class act!

The Blogs are about life in CLAY COUNTY as WE see it. If a person should want to talk about world topics they should go to another forum. MyClay sun has been very tolerant, with the wide and varied topics on blogs, I know I have learned alot about our county over the past year. Hopefully I have added a few things also,(mostly pictures;) )

I am already just sick of the election coverages, and the tragic sadness of the war on terror. But other than praying for the soliders and their families there isn't a whole lot I can do.  But in reading the myclay sun blogs I can feel good or mad or whatever about my part of the world and still I can probally do nothing to help or solve any of the problems at least I know what is going on.

Islander,

It seems that you have stirred a kettle of worms up on this one.  Personally, I advocate your right to disagree, voice your opinion on any topic & more important, your choice to read or not read these blogs, participate or not participate. 

If I'm not mistaken, the MCS blog was created for, BUT LIMITED TO, as a venue for the people of Clay County, or anyone else, for the free exchange of facts, ideas or opinions on pretty much any topic that they consider worthy.  They have done just that in an exemplary fashion, much to the profit of all involved, I assume.  I certainly have profited.

Are some of the topics of no interest to some?  Yes. Do we all not have a choice to scroll away?  Yes.  Point is, we all have the freedom to chose in what we wish read or participate in.

The other aspect still baffles me.  For the life of me, I still don't understand why some people, & you have shown yourself to be a rather good example, have failed to realise that there is a time & place for everything.  I still haven't realised why some people have not grasped the very simple concept that says it is not just what you say, but how you say it.  You could have just given up on these blogs & turned your attention to whatever else might be of interest to you.  You did not.  You could have taken some time off & then come back, or not.  You didn't.  You could have made the choice to bring up your complaint/ concern, in a dispassionate, courteous manner for discussion.  You did not.  (Here, I'll show that CCC is wrong @ me being part of the PC crowd)  Instead, you chose to voice your  opinion in the loudest, most insulting, low class manner possible.  In the process, you have learned nothing.  In the process, you have profited, nothing.  In the process, you have insulted, for no good reason, a number of people who have made some very profitable contributions to the rest of us & have shown real & honest concern for the community.

It would have been better had you said nothing rather than express your opinion in a manner that has put you on the el crappola list for all to get a chance to sling the stones and arrows in your direction.  You could have turned a possible negative into a very positive situation.  You did not.  You should have learned these lessons in the growing, maturing process, apparently, you did not.  And all you had to do was to sit down & take a minute or two to think.  You did not.  I hope that you are wearing your asbestos underwear, my friend.  Because of your lack of thinking & obviously difficient decision making processes, you're going to get some heat.  Just something to think @ for the future.  It's never too late.  JATFUR.

RichK  

Zounds, sounds like someone has a knot in their skivies.

I would have put my two cents in earlier but we were out playing golf. It got a little cold so we quit when we got to our manicured golf course back yard on the 15th hole.

MikeH

We are in the middle of a protracted long, and unvictorious war in Iraq.  We have lost too many good men for what? 

This is a war that we MUST fight.  Victory is inevitable. Good men have lost their lives for our freedoms, liberty and self preservation.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.  The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.  The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more impotant than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. 

~John Stewart Mill

Steven P Munsey A+, MCP, IASO Orange Park | Green Cove Springs munsey13@comcast.net

I need to make a slight correction.  In my reply to Islander, in the second paragraph, the line in all caps should read, BUT NOT LIMITED TO.  Sorry 'bout the confusion.

RichK

I hope it's only me, but I seem to see some replies that appear to be connected to other subjects, not in the thread of the blog in which they appear.  Any explanations?

RichK

Smunsey;

Have you been there, done that, got the Purple Heart to show for it? Do you have a son, daughter, niece, nephew or grandchild over there or have one that has been there? Do you have a relative that is even wearing the uniform?

Mr. Mill may have been a fine philosopher but I don't think old John ever wore a uniform either. Until the blood in the street in some way shape or form matches your family DNA string it isn't personal enough.

It isn't a movie where the director yells 'Cut!' and everyone gets up and goes home for dinner. It isn't a scrubbed 30 second sound bight on CNN. The smell of blood and cordite is real.

Have you seen it, smelled it, heard it, felt it and lived it 24/7? It is death and destruction beyond the human understanding. The damage to the human body can most times be fixed but the damage to the mind is forever.

Just do some reading about how many of our returning soldiers have been involved in shootings and killings. Do you think they would have been there if it wasn't for their experiences in the war?

So tell me again, why we MUST fight this war! Why victory is inevitable? I read your quote from John Stewart Mill, but what I want to hear is what you think. Your words, your reasoning and your justification.

MikeH

My neighbor fought in WW2, he did not come home and start shooting people. My good friend fought in the jungles of Viet Nam, He did not come home and start shooting people. 

If we could get a psychopahologist in on the subject I would suspect that the difference in being brought up prior to the 60's and being brought up in the new generation has a mental effect.

 I believe that the older generation is stronger mentaly then the new generation. 

We were brought up to be independent and not to rely on government or some one else to take care of us. 

Re: National health care, child health care, welfare. People take care of yourselves. Stop being a parasite on the body of the USA.

Those who give up freedom for security have neither. 

Whitewolf,

In general, I certainly agree with you & your points.  Coming of age in the 50's & 60's. the values you state were part of my upbringing.  But there were other lessons I was taught.  Help those who can't truly help themselves.  Stand up for those who can't stand for themselves or are being put upon.  Never shame yourself by turning away from the opportunity to offer some help.

Are there people in society who try to work the system, who really don't deserve help?  Most certainly.  But those are not the people of whom I speak.  There are people who either can't help themselves or possibly have most of the deck stacked against them for any number of reasons.  There are some who are ever so close to breaking the poverty/educational barrier & just need a boost to get them over the top.  Those are the people I'm talking about.

Call it what you want.  A Catholic upbringing.  Being raised by a parent & relatives whose own parents come to this country, legally.  I call it just being human & humane.  JATFUR.

RichK 

Rich and Whitewolf, it's two, two, two outlooks in one (to paraphrase a particularly annoying TV ad from way back when). Whitewolf is absolutely right when he condemns the "nanny state" we have been drifting towards for so long. I deplore it also but I am also humane enough to realize that there are way too many people who need a helping hand to get on their feet for whatever reason. Whether it is their own fault through vices (drug addiction) or corprorate greed throwing them out onto the street. As an example I cite Circuit City who last year decided their lower level people were getting too much and unceremoniously fired them. Then to rub dirt in their faces they offered them their jobs back at a lower pay rate. Why no one thought this something worthy of condemnation, the government or the citizenry, is beyond me and we all know how "out there" I can be at times. ;>)

I once talked with the Great Socialist Leader of New York, Mario Cuomo regarding welfare at the time the republican congress forced Bill Clinton to sign the welfare reform act of 1996 (or 1997, I forget.) He was, of course, against it. I told him it was long overdue but that I had no problem with a welfare system helping people get on their feet and becoming successful. But, I also expect those peopel once becoming self sufficient, to make a good faith effort try to repay the system for those who would come after them. To me, anytime one gets something for nothing, it is very rarely appreciated. Unsurprisingly, old Mario didn't agree. I still don't get that mind set. My proposal isn't that much different from Habitat For Humanity which seems to be working extremely weel near as I can tell.

Rich, in an ideal world, it seems to me that we agnostics (yes, I know I got it wrong last time out) should be encouraging even more participation through the local churches. These used to be the first and last bastions of helping hands. After pervert groups like the ACLU went after churches like an undeclared jihad, people in large numbers turned away from them causing funds for their charitable purposes to shrink thereby creating a population to turn to big government as never before. I agree that churches in general should stay out of politics and government but there should be a way for them to work together without the use of tax monies. I know I have over simplified this discussion but I wanted to at least spark a new thread on how we could all better serve the general populace. In general, the Sixties taught us exactly what you have said, unfortunately, it has not been a complete success. And for that I blame individuals, not a generation at large.

And Snookie, the comment you don't understand regarding the unique Mr. Pujol was not meant to be political. It was a slap at the childish Islander who apparently thinks we in the blog discussions are here solely to entertain him. Hopefully he is gone but I would not be surprised to see him surface again not unlike Jason Voorhees. The intent I have is to use obscure references for people to look up and then laugh (or at least chuckle) when they get the impact of what I am really saying. It's a game I play to sharpen the talents of prospective Jeopardy players.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Wow, where to start?

Islander - you really, really need to go to a remote island (or Palatka) and have a few drinks.  Then come back and run for Superintendent, I recall you have an education background.

Solo - why did you have to drag me into your reply, I never said you were PC, only that you were a Port leaning Independent.

Marsha - your last sentence was spot on!

I too at times have breezed through the blogs and had similar thoughts that if somebody was not complaining about animal control, they were whining about the schools. 

But, in the old adage - if you don't like the rules of the sport, take up another.

Islander - we hope to see you back when you get your medication regulated.

Lily,

After your explanation to Snookie, I had to fire up Google to see what you talking about. You have a great sense of humor.

Old Joseph must have been great to see in performance.

Not being a fan of cut and snip movies I had to look up Jason too.

I'm going to have to start paying more attention to the subtleties of your comments. 

MikeH

Lily,

Thanks for checking in.  I knew I could count on you. I didn't know that @ Circuit City.  I'll keep that in mind.

Don't sweat not knowing that I'm agnostic, not atheist.  I'm used to it. As far as having local houses of worship own up to the good parts of the Bible by taking a more active hand in community services, I'm all for it.  After all, that is what they preach, that is what they should by doing.  My objection is having my pocket picked in the process.  It's a sore spot that the current president, joined at the hip with the religious right, knew he couldn't get his programs passed throught legislation, so he used the tried & true back door policy of executive order.  Actually, damned smart & devious of him.

I'm one of those people who keep looking for ways to attain an ideal world, knowing that it will probably never come to pass.  But if we don't shoot for the ideal, why bother.  If we have to compromise a bit, we will still have gained more than what we had in the first place.  But that's the idealist in me.

I see that you're no proponent of the ACLU.  You have the right, as do many other people.  I'm a bit in the dark as to what your statement, "After the perverts in the ACLU went after churches like an undeclared jihad."  You didn't explain.  Just how did they, "go after," the churches & how is that related to lower church membership?  I'd love to hear more.

RichK

CCC,

I seemed to remember one time you referred to me being connected to the PC crowd.  If my memory failed me, & you didn't, many apologies.  Hey, you got some free publicity.  Bask in the warmth on this rather nasty morning.  Stay warm & dry.  JATFUR.

RichK

I probably did connect you with the PC crowd, and the Hillary crowd, and the Rosie O'Donnel crowd, and the Save the Spotted Owl crowd, and last but not least the Save the Whales crowd.  Sorry - if I did that in the haste of blogsville.

Which brings up a point, if Global warming is really happening - wouldn't that be good for the whales?  Hence, saving them?  New bumper sticker

Speed up Global Warming and Save a Whale!

Now, how in the world we got from Islander's rant to this, I will never know but hey - he started it.

Just thinking

CCC,

You just keep thinking Butch.  That's what you're good at.  Famous last words.

About saving.  I like owls, whales, & think they are worth saving,  Nix on Rosie & I'm still out on Hillary/Billary.

I'm not sure if global warming would be good for whales.  Seems I remember that it would take too long for them to adapt to rapidly changing temperature.  That's something most people don't take into consideration when they talk @ things like global warning or evolution...time.  Vast amounts of it. 

I'm with you-he started it.  Which reminds me.  Have we ever found out why he went ballistic on this rather minor point?  I haven't figured it out.  I mean I get a hot flash now & then.  But when I do, I usually don't take that track.  Oh well.  Different strokes, yadda, yadda, yadda. I still maintain that these blogs are one of the best things I've ever come across in a newpaper publication.  And that's the truth!  PHHHTTTT.  JATFUR.

RichK 

Rich, I have many reasons for disliking the ACLU as would anyone with the IQ of fungus.  Regarding my comment on "going after churches", I was over simplifying the topic. My bad. It isn't going after churches so much as an attack on the church precepts. One example, was in denying religious icons on government property. While I agree that government should not be giving tax payer money to religious entities, I see nothing wrong with employees at government institutions being allowed to decorate their work space (including all the grounds the buildings stand on) with their own personal religious icons as is allowed in private companies.  (No, not purchased with tax money.) It's a two week period at best. Who is it hurting? Christians, Jews and Muslims should all be allowed to do it. And let's face it, at the nub of the argument these faiths sermonize morality, (yes, I know their are many liars and hypocrites in religion) but religions are made up of individuals who share these values. And exposing young people to the possibility of wanting to learn more about morality is not a bad thing. In a robotic society that ignores morality we will continue to see a complete lack of regard for life in general. Too many children are gunning down too many other children and I will bet dollars to proverbial donuts these kids have no instruction in morality from whatever kind of home they are from.

But I am digressing here way too much. The reason I refer to these creeps as perverts is their recent alignnment with NAMBLA. I don't care how much anyone goes on about a "Free Speech" concept, NAMBLA (and the Neo - Nazis) are not deserving of our constitutional protections. These "people" would only take our cherished rights and use them against us much like an Islamic Savage would use our own airplanes against us.  A little common sense would go a long way in society today.

On the other comment about Circuit City, I completely boycott them now. What they did was contemptible. It was a big story back around the end of October, I believe.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever wspecific ant to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Lily,

Thanks for the explanation.  Now here, I have to tell you that I've always enjoyed reading your statements & hope to continue into the future.  You also know that I have a bit of sarcasm & humor in my replies & blogs.  But in this reply, I will be totally serious.

In your explanation, I see that you proceed from erroneous & misleading assumptions.  You're not alone.  Because of those, some of your statements are wrong in their formation.  Allow me to explain.  By the way, if you or any other reader can prove me wrong, I'd love to hear it.

The ACLU does not & never has, introduced a law, passed a law, interpreted a law or upheld a law.  Those are the sole provinces of legally elected legislators & judges of various courts.  Because you might not like a law or how it is interpreted, don't blame the ACLU.

The ACLU doesn't attack or give darn one @ the precepts of any church, synagogue, mosque or those of any religion.  They just don't care.  It's not their job, not why they get paid & is not in their job description or mission statement. Their main job is the protection of the civil rights of people as outlined in the Bill of Rights, Period.  No more, no less.  Why any one would be against that is way beyond my meager intelect.

The ACLU, to the best of my knowlege, has never denied any person or group, from putting up a religious icon on public property.  That is the sole province of the judicial system based upon the laws centered in the Bill of Rights, not the ACLU. 

You may see nothing wrong with the practice, even without public funds, but the court system & the Bill of Rights does.  This is a group of people who have to do the interpretations of the Constitution & Bill of Rights.  Those documents, in turn, were based on historical problems in the mixing of church & state.  Who is it hurting?  The writers of the documents, the people who fought & died for the idea & the people who are alive who are delegated to second class status because a law & principle is being broken.

I'll be more than happy to repeat another principle again.  Not one thing is being taken away from those who wish to display religious icons.  Just as with free speech, it is not absolute.  They may display any religious icons they want in & around their homes, their religious activities, their religious schools & places of worship, where they belong.  The ACLU just doesn't care.  One other thought.  While you may not like the ACLU, if some person, group of people or organisation attempted to prohibit these people from displaying their religious icons in the places I just described, the ACLU  would probably be one of the first to offer their services in their favor.  Even for you.  Think @ it. That's their purpose.  I know it is because as a very proud card carrying member of the ACLU for the past eight years, I read it in their newsletters.  I'm able to read it because my IQ is slightly above fungus.  But worry not.  I won't hold it against you.  JATFUR.

RichK

Rich, I know what you have enumerated is true. I also knew I should never have delved into this rant as I would and did screw it up.

As for what the ACLU may or may not do, that pretty much depends on the times. I do know they appear on the side of those taking issue with religion for whatever reason. They will harry anyone to that end. They would not stand up for me because I would never allow it. I believe I choose my associates (I have no real friends) carefully. You can not deny that this organization shows anything but contempt for decency when they defend Neo-Nazis marching in Skokie, Illinois or NAMBLA in it's persuit of raping small boys. Whatever good this organization once stood for, they have sold it out completely. I understand you are a member and I am also positive it is for the best of reasons. I do believe you could join one with the same alleged goals that has nothing to with child rapists. I suppose in re-reading these meanderings, this my biggest problem with this group. I am sure many subscribe to the ideal that "everyone" deserves  a defense for whatever reason. Simply put, I don't. The members of NAMBLA are without a doubt the most disgusting group on Earth. )Yes, I know it's only my opinion but thisis one I would stake my life on.) I would go so far as to say that Islamic Savages are stellar citizens next to that bunch. Other than that we have no problem.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Lily,

The times have nothing to do with what the ACLU may or may not do.  It is the law & the courts that determine that.

You are right in one aspect.  They do appear to be involved with religion.  But there is a reason for that.  As has been reported (even in the TU) the religious right has grown powerful in their efforts to making this a Christian nation, regardless of the intention of the Constitution. You may not wany to, but go onto their web site, ACLU.com, I think, & you'll see that they defend all civil rights, not just the ones concerned with religion.

I don't know why you might not think that everyone deserves legal representation.  That's up to you.  We disagree on that point.  I hate Nazis also, but I love the law more.  Without it, we are doomed.  We need laws that protect & guide all people.  We need legal protection for all people.  Whoever said that an innocent person doesn't need a lawyer or has nothing to worry about was an idiot.  Just look up past & current cases dealing with DNA evidence.

But once again, no worries.  Keep those cards & letters rolling in.  JATFUR.

RichK

PS.  NAMBLA--YUCH!  But even they deserve the protection of the law, and its' consequences.

PPS.  I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend unto the death your right to say it.  Voltaire.  Not bad for a French guy.

RK

Marsha - the winner at saying "it" the best.  Whatever "it" is that day, you always come through.

Islander - congrats for dragging the bloggers back off the couch.  And with such a silly blog.  If you don't like the subjects, write a blog about something else.  Your rant was a bit harsh, but apparently effective.  We're all here talking about it.

Reach a little higher, and write a blog about one of your sore spots.  I think we all agree with the premise the subjects here get a little stale from time to time.

Lily,

I can understand why you would not like the NAMBLA bunch, I don't like their way of thinking either, and I'm assuming you mean the bunch that rammed the WTC and Pentagon when you say Islamic Savage.

What I don't agree with is your stance on the ACLU as a whole. Like you, I've wondered a couple of times if this bunch had lost their mind. But if you really stop to think about it, they have not said they agree with the message of the NAMBLA people, or any other group for that matter, only with their right to say what they say.

I'm pretty sure that many people didn't agree with the message of the American Nazi Party during WWII, or the KKK before them, or the SLA, or any number of other fringe groups out there. The fact is, they have the right to assemble and they have the right to protest and they have a right to spread their message.

I don't like people burning our Flag, I don't like people protesting Rowe v Wade and I don't like people that want to stop gays from getting married just like everyone else. I don't like them or their message of ignorance and intolerance, but I'll be damned if I want to see them prevented from doing what they do.

If we allow that right to be selectively given or taken away, then we as a Nation are diminished.

I'm not a really big proponent of the rights of journalists either, but if we didn't have a free press, we wouldn't be able to have this blog site or trash the BoCC, or question the integrity of some of our elected officials. If they tried to censor our blogs, the ACLU would be one of the first groups to help us out. Me, I'd gladly take their help.

MikeH

Finder,

A more succinct & eloquent answer than yours is yet to be found.  I am in agreement with you, of course.  Pet peeve of mine is the amount of people who hate the message & the messenger.  They want the right to say any darn thing they want, regardless of how stupid it sounds, yet want to deny others the same right.  The ACLU may be a distaste in the mouths of many, but think what life would be like @ here if we didn't have the watchdog groups protecting not just our rights, but the rights of everyone.  Personally, I'm very happy that Lily brought it up.  JATFUR.

RichK

Finder and Rich, absolutely, I am in full agreement with what you both have written. I may have to do mea culpa or two. I am sure there are good intentions for most of those in the ACLU. But seperating the message from the messenger in the case of NAMBLA is just impossible for me. I can even tolerate defending Nazis if it were limited to speaking on their hateful philosophy. But the Skokie trial went beyond that. They deliberately chose that town to stick a proverbial fork in the eyes of holocaust victims. They were not simply marching in support of their infamous lunatic leader, they were rubbing people's noses in it. That should not be protected or defended. As to NAMBLA. How can one say "I don't like what NAMBLA stands for but I believe they have the right to say it. I would be aghast to find out I had  marvelous friendly neighbor on the surface then find out he likes raping little boys. How do you sy, "He's a really nice guy and I don't agree with with raping little boys but he has that right.?" No, the only thing they have a right to is to stand in front of my car as I zip down the highway at 70 miles per hour. As I stated before, common decency has to have a place in our society and NAMBLA is not it.

Finder, you are right. I have written about my term Islamic Savage before. I don't like the idea of empowering murderous fanatics as terrorists. They are not terrorizing us. We showed that in the Afghanistan invasion. These things are subhuman and do not represent Islam in the slightest. However, in their twisted minds, they think they do so rather than empower them as terrorists I prefer to call them what they are, Savages.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Lily;

Hmmm.. I think this is a sore spot for you. That's OK, we all have them.

I don't think that NAMBLA has the right to rape young boys. If they are found guilty of such, I'll help you navigate the vehicle so we don't miss.

There is a fine line between agreeing with their right to say something and agreeing with them actually doing it. Kind of like your right to punch me in the nose stops at the end of my nose.

How about the fine Christians that show up at Soldiers funerals and say that they deserved to die because the military lets gays serve? Now that's what I call teaching morality.

What hypocrisy! That soldier has already given her/his life so that they can continue saying that. You think maybe they are rubbing it in someone's face?

Censorship is a very slippery slope. One that is very hard to get off of once undertaken.

MikeH

Lily,

With you talking @ Skokie, I got hungry.  I know a great little strip mall there that is strictly kosher.  They close at sundown on Fri.  I used to get some great food there & I'm not even Jewish.  Oh the lox.  Pastries to die for.  Oy, the smoked white fish & sable.  Thanks a lot.

Yes, the Nazis chose Skokie for the purpose you mentioned.  That does not detract from the fact that as reprehensible they or Nambla is, as citizens, they have the same rights we all do.  A perfect system?  I don't know.  Show one to me that's better.  I agree with Finders examples.  I'll even add one more.  How @ the good Christians murdering people at abortion clinics.  Are they the best example of their religion?  Of course not. At least not in a formal, official sense.

As with many other things, sometimes, we must take the good with the bad, or even despicable.  JATFUR.

RichK

Talk about getting hungry... I came from a community with a very heavy Jewish population also. We Catholics just have no flair for the ambrosia that is superb Deli. I, too, lament on a weekly basis that there  is no good deli in the south. "If it ain't fried it ain't food" seems to be the mantra down here. I suppose that is one of the "take the bad with the good things I must put up with for life in a low tax, warm weather area. But I so do miss it. (FYI, tried the Vienna Garden restaurant yesterday. If you are in the mood for a phenomenal strawberry cheesecake that is more like a mousse, go there. It's a relatively new restaurant on Fornes near St. Vincents in Five Points.) I plan on going back for more. Oh and the entree (stuffed cabbage) was unbelievably delicious. Now I need to do some mea culpas at a gym. :>(

Finder, the whole raison d'etre of NAMBLA is adult men having sex with little boys. This is  crime but they are claiming this is a constitutional right and are trying to void all rape and sodomy laws outlawing this practice. The ACLU is defending them. I see no middle ground in this organization defending what is essentially a criminal endeavor. I just don't get it. Maybe Rich can inquire for us to explain it. Talk is one thing but this goes beyond talk. I'll buy the gas for the car.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Ahhh! You guys have me drooling. I know, bad picture!

I like a lot of the southern comfort food but my body just can't process all that fat anymore.

Oh for a good Deli, a corned beef sandwich with a really crisp tart dill pickle.

Maybe a good (or even mediocre) Diner for some real honest to goodness home fries with your eggs.

How about a place that could make a real NY pizza or sub sandwich?

I wouldn't kill for one of these but I might be talked into maiming. We have to head up to the NE about every 6-9 months just to get the food.

I'd even settle for some decent Mexican food. A grilled lobster or some real tacos sounds good.

Hmm! Sure came around a big loop to get to this subject didn't we?

MikeH

Lily,

For the life of me. I can't figure out any kind of constitutional right for what is essentially, child sex abuse.  I've dug down deeply into the most left parts of my heart & mind & come up with nothing.  I would like to know on what grounds the ACLU is defending them.  That would help. I'll go on their web site & see if I can find anything.

To you & Finder.  In June, I'll be in New Jersey for my nephew's graduation.  Rest assured. I'll be making a side trip to NYC.  I intend to visit the Carnegie Deli where they serve a hot Pastrami sandwich that weighs in at one pound.  Yes, leftovers will be in order.  Then on to Brooklyn, the East side, the West side & all around the town.  I love the city.

Personally, I love this loop du jour.  Bon appetit.  JATFUR.

RichK, drooling all over himself also in anticipation.  OY!

Now here is something they could sink their teeth into.

http://www.news4jax.com/sports/15058338/detail.html

This girl can't try out for or play on the boys baseball team because the school has a girls softball team.

I could have sworn these were two different sports. I thought this type of thing had been settled at least 15 years ago. Oops, sorry, I forgot that it was still the '80s here. 

MikeH

Too true, Finder. I think it's amusing that all these posts were spin off a moron's shout for attention.

A correction to my earlier note. The restaurant is on Forbes, not Fornes. I really need to stop misplacing my reading glasses.

Now to plan a trip to New York in the spring. All this Deli talk has me drooling too.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Lily,

I went on the ACLU web site & punched in nambla.  I got a couple of general headers with the disclaimer that the ACLU does not condone that behavior.  For anything more specific, you would have to have details such as a specific case, date or geographical location.  So without some specific info, I can't get more.

RichK

Glad you were taken in my my sarcasm!  This blog has evolved into, well some pretty interesting things.

You are right, I decided to stir the pot, and it looks like it boiled over.  It is sad that we, including myself, discuss the same topics again and again.  Not much is going to change.  My point being, we all have it too easy, including myself.

The NAMBLA stuff is.....well not what I intended to get going!

Yes, I will remain, I am trapped for the time being,

On the island.

islander,

What a lousy excuse for a human being. You have absolutely no excuse to try and transition this blog into something reputable.

You are a low-life scum bag. Period. I don't care if you are a teacher in the School District.

You are lower than a snake's belly.

Live your reality.

Karen Lake

I think you have eaten your share of humble pie too.

Live your reality.

Angela

Live your reality also. I keep track of the history and content of other peoples blogs myself.  Key, you are on the borderline of flaming, I reread mine, and I was too. Transition of this into something reputable??? Correct, I have eaten my share of humble pie as we all have at some time.

Still on the island.

Islander 

Good grief Karen, talk about extremes.  Your comments are like using a three ton truck to squash a bug.  They don't fit the situation at all.  

I'm going to go live my reality now because I have NO CLUE what anyone else's reality is.

Hey, this is kind of fun - how did we go from Islander's rant (sarcastic or not??) to Marsha's lack of reality?  And we never once mentioned any Clay county issues - good job Islander for bringing us all back to reality??

What a fun trip!

In the famous words of one of the best:

"So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consiousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

CCC;

We started with a rant and a few well chosen responses to that where I just had to find out who Joseph Pujol was. We moved on to some politics and freedom of choice. Then we had a short lesson on economics and the value of the Euro to the dollar.

A little more about politics, animal lovers, some global warming and being PC, brought us to manicured fairway backyards, the war we MUST fight to get a little religion in the mix and the macho factor or lack thereof of our returning soldiers.

From there it was a quick turn to the ACLU, NAMBLA and freedom of speech and the press. It didn't take long to get from there to the merits of Deli's, Diners and NY Pizza as compared to southern fried lard.

A quick 'U' turn for a little more ACLU and NAMBLA then it's on to some 'Throwed Rolls' from some great pitchers, and a little humble pie for desert.

The final toast being a great quote from one of my favorite movies.

Man, it just don't git no better than this. What a great trip.

MikeH

Finder & CCC,

Absolutely correct.  I don't ever recall a publication on a scale this small, where one could get a variety of subjects on just one blog.  I hope that is good.

RichK